2013 Singapore GP - Marina Bay

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LionKing wrote:
radosav wrote:
LionKing wrote:From 2010 to 2013 so far:

Vettel: 6 mechanical DNFs (5 of them from lead, he lost another 2 wins due to mechanical problems but still finished in points)
Mark: 2 mechanical DNFs
what about webbers starts from first row and clutch problems? staring from first row and ending sixth, seventh or eight after first corner is same as mechanical failure.
Mark has always been a bad starter notoriously all his career. Once he qualified 2nd and he was 15th into first corner....
yeah, right. alonso ended last after first corner in australia 2010, so this means that he is bad starter? didn't RBR said that they will sort webbers clutch problems till the end of season. it is not a hurry.

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LionKing wrote:
radosav wrote:
LionKing wrote:From 2010 to 2013 so far:

Vettel: 6 mechanical DNFs (5 of them from lead, he lost another 2 wins due to mechanical problems but still finished in points)
Mark: 2 mechanical DNFs
what about webbers starts from first row and clutch problems? staring from first row and ending sixth, seventh or eight after first corner is same as mechanical failure.
Mark has always been a bad starter notoriously all his career. Once he qualified 2nd and he was 15th into first corner....
They are blanket statistics though, they do not account for failures that do not involve a DNF. Webber does seem to have more problems with his car than Vettel, like DRS and KERS failures that hamper his race and qualifying sessions.

Its academic though, as Vettel is in another league to Webber on driver merit. I believe Red Bull pay more care and attention to Seb's car, but it is for good reason, he is the one who is winning races and Championships.

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ringo wrote:
lillschumi wrote:I think Merc is to over-cautious with pace on hard tires. Seb clearly showed that the hard tires had more pace in them. Just before pitting Merc easily increased pace.

I actually think these Pirelli tire is BS, it´s a farce seing all driver "cruise" for 40 laps, no one dares to push more which makes everyone over-cautious. If the safety car hadn´t come (or all did the same pit option under SC) the race would have been so booring, it would have been cruise for 60 laps.
If i remember, this was the same thing last year. Singapore is a track you cruise until something happens then you use the pace in the tyres. No one wants to push mid stint. They all keep their cards to their chest until something happens like a safety car or a midlfielder pits. It's a game of who blinks first. We can thank pirellis for that.
This race would have done well with those indestructible bridgestones.
In regards to Rosbergs pace, after the SC it appears that he was racing for 2nd place all along as Vettel was gone from turn 1. Mercedes were maintaining the gaps because never going to win wrecking their tires. Sometimes I wish Mercedes had their 2013 form in the Bridgestone era too would've been mighty. On to Korea.

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radosav wrote:yeah, right. alonso ended last after first corner in australia 2010, so this means that he is bad starter? didn't RBR said that they will sort webbers clutch problems till the end of season. it is not a hurry.
When it consistently happens almost an a race-by-race basis you've got to question what's going on.

I don't have too much sympathy with Mark on mechanical problems because he never seems to be in a position to take advantage of ones he benefits from. If he stays in the Korean GP in 2010 and Vettel's engine then blows up he's World Champion. As simple as that.

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munudeges wrote:
radosav wrote:yeah, right. alonso ended last after first corner in australia 2010, so this means that he is bad starter? didn't RBR said that they will sort webbers clutch problems till the end of season. it is not a hurry.
When it consistently happens almost an a race-by-race basis you've got to question what's going on.

I don't have too much sympathy with Mark on mechanical problems because he never seems to be in a position to take advantage of ones he benefits from. If he stays in the Korean GP in 2010 and Vettel's engine then blows up he's World Champion. As simple as that.
It's only been happening on such a regular basis at Red Bull...

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Kind of funny/cruel/lucky/noteworthy that Alonso giving Webber a lift will probably mean Alonso gets a better grid slot next time out than he otherwise would have

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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10 grid penalty for Webber in Korea

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That's harsh

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It's Mark's 3rd reprimand, so the 10 place grid penalty is the consequence of all 3, not just what happened today.
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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stefan_ wrote:It's Mark's 3rd reprimand, so the 10 place grid penalty is the consequence of all 3, not just what happened today.
Yeah, also Alonso could have parked it a bit more to the left too...

Alonso was picked up similarly by Webber 2 times before IIRC.

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Did WEB picked ALO up before Nurburg 2011 as well?

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I can't help but laugh at the outrage about penalty for mutual backslapping duo :wink: from Red Bull and others. Warwick strikes again and look who's worried about penalties now, "wrap over the knuckles", really? Shameless Red Bull. Also Alonso was lucky his name isn't Maldonado because we would have had drive through race ago.

In a similar vain it's laughable that Hulkenberg is surprised about his Perez incident, and he didn't even get anything, they asked him kindly, much later to give position back (how thoughtful) instead of slapping him with a drive-through and he complains. Of course this situation was ridiculous but it's a direct consequence of equally ridiculous Hungary penalty, you can call me conspiracy theorist but I said after Spa, FIA knew it was the wrong decision under pressures and now they have to plough through with it. I don't recall Hulkenberg and others complaining in Hungary, if it's not about yourself it doesn't matter, not really as you see. I bet some not so objective journalists will say now this one wasn't a clear case. Oh look: “He did not gain an advantage, but merely avoided a collision by leaving the track” 8) . Only thing left is some "high profile" driver doing it and another outrage and dissecting.

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iotar__ wrote:I can't help but laugh at the outrage about penalty for mutual backslapping duo :wink: from Red Bull and others. Warwick strikes again and look who's worried about penalties now, "wrap over the knuckles", really? Shameless Red Bull. Also Alonso was lucky his name isn't Maldonado because we would have had drive through race ago.

In a similar vain it's laughable that Hulkenberg is surprised about his Perez incident, and he didn't even get anything, they asked him kindly, much later to give position back (how thoughtful) instead of slapping him with a drive-through and he complains. Of course this situation was ridiculous but it's a direct consequence of equally ridiculous Hungary penalty, you can call me conspiracy theorist but I said after Spa, FIA knew it was the wrong decision under pressures and now they have to plough through with it. I don't recall Hulkenberg and others complaining in Hungary, if it's not about yourself it doesn't matter, not really as you see. I bet some not so objective journalists will say now this one wasn't a clear case. Oh look: “He did not gain an advantage, but merely avoided a collision by leaving the track” 8) . Only thing left is some "high profile" driver doing it and another outrage and dissecting.
Yeah but Hulkenberg got punished or w/e for being physically pushed of the track since there was contact and he was easyily side by side so Perez should have given room under the given rules which would have resulted in Hulkenberg passing which he did anyways but instead got punished for.

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Webber reprimand was justifiable. Hamilton had to dodge Alonso's car and Webber stepped on the racing line. Drivers coming out of the corner have little time to react if they suddenly face him right in front of them.

Mind you that stewards normally do not make a point of things like picking up drivers or collecting flags and so on. The core element here was that today it was very unsafely handled. Had Alonso for instance parked his car completely on the run-off, nobody would have made point about it.
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