Ferrari F14T

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SectorOne wrote:Looking at the top image it´s quite clearly an inlet. It slopes inwards at the front and has a strong cutoff at the back.
To catch air. Create some low pressure inside the engine cover and it´s gonna suck in that air beautifully.

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads ... errari.jpg
No, it has dividers inside to make a louvered outlet.
It's an outlet, if you wanted an inlet there, you'd hood it like the Saubers to catch the air spilling around the main inlet - you may as well since it'd take the turbulant boundary layer away that's been created and give cleaner airflow to the rear wing.

It'd be a terrible inlet for the engine cover, given you have a damned fantastic high pressure one at the front you'd could use that is the main airbox inlet.
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zioture wrote:The photos of McLaren and Ferrari are almost the same token, I have traced the yellow lines.
But it is too different from the height of the nose plane ferrari watch the red line.
The nose of the Ferrari looks fake....

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads ... setto2.jpg
The problem here is you are lining things up that aren't necessarily parallel. For example, the cockpit position might be slightly different on each car, and that would mean that it could appear larger or smaller in the picture due to perspective.

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PhillipM wrote:
SectorOne wrote:Looking at the top image it´s quite clearly an inlet. It slopes inwards at the front and has a strong cutoff at the back.
To catch air. Create some low pressure inside the engine cover and it´s gonna suck in that air beautifully.

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads ... errari.jpg
No, it has dividers inside to make a louvered outlet.
It's an outlet, if you wanted an inlet there, you'd hood it like the Saubers to catch the air spilling around the main inlet - you may as well since it'd take the turbulant boundary layer away that's been created and give cleaner airflow to the rear wing.

It'd be a terrible inlet for the engine cover, given you have a damned fantastic high pressure one at the front you'd could use that is the main airbox inlet.
louvered dividers that slope from top to bottom from the front of the car to the rear ? hmmm ok, i'm still going with it being an inlet from looking at all the photos.

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Looking at this image (And yes, I know that it might not be how it is actually packaged in the end) you can see the gearbox radiator under the exhaust:
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The Sauber clearly has an inlet in that position on the engine cover, so this might also be a inlet. The air from such an inlet is perfectly positionend to be routed to such a radiator.

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PhillipM wrote:
SectorOne wrote:Looking at the top image it´s quite clearly an inlet. It slopes inwards at the front and has a strong cutoff at the back.
To catch air. Create some low pressure inside the engine cover and it´s gonna suck in that air beautifully.

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads ... errari.jpg
No, it has dividers inside to make a louvered outlet.
It's an outlet, if you wanted an inlet there, you'd hood it like the Saubers to catch the air spilling around the main inlet - you may as well since it'd take the turbulant boundary layer away that's been created and give cleaner airflow to the rear wing.

It'd be a terrible inlet for the engine cover, given you have a damned fantastic high pressure one at the front you'd could use that is the main airbox inlet.
Have you considered that maybe there is just a piece like the sauber one missing ? That maybe they can open or close that inlet to adapt cooling to track temp ?

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I don't think the position of the gearbox heat sink is the same as it was last year. Where is the outlet for it? I mean look a the back of the car and if this is the position the outlet must be in the crash structure. Also the radiator is too close to exhaust and to the turbo. For me it looks like last year engine modified a little to have the turbo for a presentation. They don't want to exploit they solution of the engine layout/packaging.
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PhillipM wrote:if you wanted an inlet there, you'd hood it like the Saubers to catch the air spilling around the main inlet.
Not if you can do it like Ferrari did. To me it looks like an obvious inlet to feed air down somewhere around the exhaust.
If it were an outlet you would reverse the whole thing.

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SectorOne wrote:It might be a cockpit surround. But for ants.
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look at it again. Look at proportion between the human arm and the part.....

It' clearly a a cockpit surround, the one you remove before you can get out of the car

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I found better picture (it's from the 360° view on the ferrari.com page) of the rear, so based on this picture I reviewed my previous suggestion. Still no two small outlets, just one big and some shadows.

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.poz wrote:
SectorOne wrote:It might be a cockpit surround. But for ants.
http://i.imgur.com/bK8xImM.png?1

look at it again. Look at proportion between the human arm and the part.....

It' clearly a a cockpit surround, the one you remove before you can get out of the car

http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/wp-content/up ... 00x200.jpg http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/a ... t-well.jpg http://uksportsmanagement.co.uk/assets/9721.jpg
Yea take notice of the width and shape. compare it to the Ferrari headrest.

It´s perfectly straight. Meaning unless they have a completely new monocoque, that´s not a headrest.
My guess is that the piece they are working on there is just half of the actual piece they are doing.

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No cockpit surround is shaped like that after the regulation change the introduced the hump. Plus it's still the wrong shape even if you pretend it's big enough to get a head through.
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SectorOne wrote:
PhillipM wrote:if you wanted an inlet there, you'd hood it like the Saubers to catch the air spilling around the main inlet.
Not if you can do it like Ferrari did. To me it looks like an obvious inlet to feed air down somewhere around the exhaust.
If it were an outlet you would reverse the whole thing.

http://i.imgur.com/WNjZnkm.jpg
Yes, it's similar like a small naca

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Yea exactly, just that it´s a two-stage inlet.
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Hmm, I was looking at the rear on photo where it looks like the dividers are rear facing, but I see what you mean when you look at the side one, they could be the other way around and it's just a trick of the light on the first picture.

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Owen.C93 wrote:No cockpit surround is shaped like that after the regulation change the introduced the hump. Plus it's still the wrong shape even if you pretend it's big enough to get a head through.
And who says that that is a piece of a current car being worked on? In McLaren presentation video when camera passed by wind tunnel we could see model of a full car and that was MP4-23, while a bit later an engineer was working on full scale nosecone from MP4-22 or 23.

So why is it not possible for Ferrari to put an older part inside the video, just to catch some interest when it is basically nothing.