2015 Austrian Grand Prix - 19-21 June

[Juzh]

But in Canada, Merc's upgrade meant that they could run closer to the performance of the qualifying mode for the entire race. Ideally Merc would like to run with the same power in the race and qualifying and I believe they're now reaching the limit for that. The Merc engine is surely a bit more powerful when you look at it this way.

Dont know where you read that but I dont believe it. You dont go for turning up a mode for few dozen times tops to turning it up for entire engines lifetime with reliability update.

As I said Enrico Benzing (engineer) writes extensive annalysis on his blog after every race and put both PUs in very close proximity after canada, but only in race. His calculation showed that Mercs quali mode brings another 20hp for few laps. In the end thats the reason why Merc is .1-.2 seconds in practices and, half a second in Q3. Speed traps show it very well...

I didn't say top, but their aim is to close in on the qualifying performance in the race. It came from Andy Cowell talking to Sky. I still strongly believe Mercedes still have 20BHP over Ferrari.

It's a known fact merc (all merc PUs) have a qualy setting. Often times have we seen speed trap figures faster in Q when PUs are maxed out than in the race with slipstream. It's track dependant, but it's definitely there.

[Jordan44]

It's a known fact merc (all merc PUs) have a qualy setting. Often times have we seen speed trap figures faster in Q when PUs are maxed out than in the race with slipstream. It's track dependant, but it's definitely there.

Yes! it is a known fact. That's why I know it. I'm not disputing that... I'm just saying they have 20BHP over Ferrari overall regardless of qualifying engine modes.

[Juzh]

Probably.

[ismail1991]

Thanks for the info on Rosberg's lap.

BTW Hulkenberg is having an unbelievable high these last 10 days, incredible 5th place.
Maybe putting himself in contention for that Raikkonen seat.

I like Raikkonnen a lot but he is not on it these days. Hulkenberg was the one who deserved that seat in the first place. I hope Ferrari can make its wrong next year by taking Hulkenberg

[Spoutnik]

Thanks for the info on Rosberg's lap.

BTW Hulkenberg is having an unbelievable high these last 10 days, incredible 5th place.
Maybe putting himself in contention for that Raikkonen seat.

I like Raikkonnen a lot but he is not on it these days. Hulkenberg was the one who deserved that seat in the first place. I hope Ferrari can make its wrong next year by taking Hulkenberg

There is Bottas available also.

[Sevach]

Just read that Vettel didnt have a DRS in his last run. Someone has any info on that?

I know he didn't use it after the last turn on the run to the line. He could simply forget to use it.

Edit. Just checked. As I said, he didn't use it after the last turn, but that's it.

Probably because Hamilton's yellow in T1 was still in effect.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Just read that Vettel didnt have a DRS in his last run. Someone has any info on that?

I know he didn't use it after the last turn on the run to the line. He could simply forget to use it.

Edit. Just checked. As I said, he didn't use it after the last turn, but that's it.

Probably because Hamilton's yellow in T1 was still in effect.

Hamilton caused Yellow flag in Sector 1 and at that point, both Nico and Vettel were out of the Sector 1 and the yellow flag didn't affected either of them.

[Juzh]

Just read that Vettel didnt have a DRS in his last run. Someone has any info on that?

I know he didn't use it after the last turn on the run to the line. He could simply forget to use it.

Edit. Just checked. As I said, he didn't use it after the last turn, but that's it.

Probably because Hamilton's yellow in T1 was still in effect.

Most likely.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

It's a known fact merc (all merc PUs) have a qualy setting. Often times have we seen speed trap figures faster in Q when PUs are maxed out than in the race with slipstream. It's track dependant, but it's definitely there.

Yes! it is a known fact. That's why I know it. I'm not disputing that... I'm just saying they have 20BHP over Ferrari overall regardless of qualifying engine modes.

Are you sure it is only 20BHP and what happened to Ferrari's canada upgrade with those 20-30 BHP? Ferrari seems to trail the Mercs to same tune as they were before Canada/at Canada. Either Ferrari's PU upgrades have failed OR Merc keeps letting out more power from their PU. At Canada, people claimed that if Vettel was there in Q3, the gap could have been lesser. What now? On a faster circuit with much shorter lap time, Vettel is over three tenths behind to Mercs, who didn't even got their final fliers. Before the run of final laps, Vettel was down by more than six tenths on banker laps.

Once again, a stupid performance from Kimi. Simply wasting a seat where a younger driver could perform so much better. Vettel is so lucky that he keeps getting these pathetic partners who make him look much better than he is.

[Sevach]

Sector times.

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... s=7474&p=3

Rosberg's "ideal" would've been enough, too bad for him.

Maybe Vettel has a bit more on the final sector, but no doubt which is the faster car around a Q lap.
Still a mountain to climb for Ferrari.

[LionKing]

Probably because Hamilton's yellow in T1 was still in effect.

Hamilton caused Yellow flag in Sector 1 and at that point, both Nico and Vettel were out of the Sector 1 and the yellow flag didn't affected either of them.

But what about at the end of the quali lap in the straight?

[i70q7m7ghw]

I didn't say top, but their aim is to close in on the qualifying performance in the race. It came from Andy Cowell talking to Sky. I still strongly believe Mercedes still have 20BHP over Ferrari.

It's a known fact merc (all merc PUs) have a qualy setting. Often times have we seen speed trap figures faster in Q when PUs are maxed out than in the race with slipstream. It's track dependant, but it's definitely there.

Essentially what Merc does in qualifying is run the engine at higher revs, closer to the knock limit of the engine. In Canada they made an update to the engine that essentially increased the knock limit so they could run higher revs in the races too. They probably still run higher revs in qualifying, but the difference between the race and qualifying modes is probably less now. However, if they are leading the race 1-2 without too much pressure from behind they'll simply turn the engine down on both cars during the race. This is obvious to see because multiple times this year when needed the lead Mercedes has been able to suddenly go 1 second or more faster per lap to build a gap to the car behind. In most races this year the Merc's have had plenty of performance in hand.

[ferkan]

It's a known fact merc (all merc PUs) have a qualy setting. Often times have we seen speed trap figures faster in Q when PUs are maxed out than in the race with slipstream. It's track dependant, but it's definitely there.

Yes! it is a known fact. That's why I know it. I'm not disputing that... I'm just saying they have 20BHP over Ferrari overall regardless of qualifying engine modes.

Are you sure it is only 20BHP and what happened to Ferrari's canada upgrade with those 20-30 BHP? Ferrari seems to trail the Mercs to same tune as they were before Canada/at Canada. Either Ferrari's PU upgrades have failed OR Merc keeps letting out more power from their PU. At Canada, people claimed that if Vettel was there in Q3, the gap could have been lesser. What now? On a faster circuit with much shorter lap time, Vettel is over three tenths behind to Mercs, who didn't even got their final fliers. Before the run of final laps, Vettel was down by more than six tenths on banker laps.

Once again, a stupid performance from Kimi. Simply wasting a seat where a younger driver could perform so much better. Vettel is so lucky that he keeps getting these pathetic partners who make him look much better than he is.

Hard to say but it was never 20-30hp from solely three tokens. Binotto confirmed that test showed they are where they wanted to be and got what they wanted from dyno. He also said PU difference is relatively small now from their GPS analysis so I dont know if engine is only at fault here since fastest Williams is 4 tenths down on Vettel. Allison said they wanted balanced power between race and qualis at beginning of year. Hard to say but they are not as far as they have been in Aus or Canada for example.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Kimi Raikkonen blames Ferrari F1 team for Q1 exit

He is not just slow, but he is stupid too. Both Vettel and Kimi were supposed to do 3 laps in the last part of Q1. Vettel bolts a 1:12.399 on his first run and does a 1:11.184 in the 3rd. Kimi does a paltry 1:15.411 on his first lap and 1:12.867 on his third. If he would have done a better job like Vettel did, he wouldn't have been out of Q1. Blaming team for his own pathetic job should be enough to convince Ferrari to drop him at the end of this season.

FIA - Quali lap times

[Juzh]

Remember few year ago when hamilton was bitching about vettel missing apexes and still getting pole positions? Just look at this lap lol. Or any other this year for that matter. Hamilton just being salty as....