2021 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 27 - 29

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Re: 2021 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 27 - 29

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NathanOlder wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 22:28
914hald wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 21:24
NathanOlder wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 19:15


Surely Alonso, Button and Rosberg are legit ? Or you saying they all suck ?
Bad memory? Button won on points compared to Hamilton at their stint together.
Hamilton is a very good driver, but all his wdc are against weaker drivers in clearly best car on the grid. That is how i will remember him.
Why do points count across 3 seasons ?? there's no logic in that. Its like saying if Max won this season by 10 points, it means nothing because he lost last season by 133 points and in 2019 he lost by 135 points. So for Max to beat Lewis this year with your logic, Max must beat Lewis by 268 points!!

So NO ! not a bad memory. Lewis out qualified Jenson 44 times, Jenson only 14. Lewis out raced Jenson 32 vs 26 times. SO no, you seem to be the one with a clouded memory.
So stats mean nothing? So you are proving my point 100%. You can be the most winning driver ever, but everybody knows you had No competition...

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914hald wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 23:01
NathanOlder wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 22:28
914hald wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 21:24


Bad memory? Button won on points compared to Hamilton at their stint together.
Hamilton is a very good driver, but all his wdc are against weaker drivers in clearly best car on the grid. That is how i will remember him.
Why do points count across 3 seasons ?? there's no logic in that. Its like saying if Max won this season by 10 points, it means nothing because he lost last season by 133 points and in 2019 he lost by 135 points. So for Max to beat Lewis this year with your logic, Max must beat Lewis by 268 points!!

So NO ! not a bad memory. Lewis out qualified Jenson 44 times, Jenson only 14. Lewis out raced Jenson 32 vs 26 times. SO no, you seem to be the one with a clouded memory.
So stats mean nothing? So you are proving my point 100%. You can be the most winning driver ever, but everybody knows you had No competition...
No, your pointless stat means nothing buddy.

Adding up points across 3 seasons means nothing.
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Let's not have the same discussion again, again, again in every thread. Thank you.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 20:54
If it's wet and stays wet then Russell has a chance of not only a podium but also the win. If it starts to dry even a little bit, he'll get eaten alive. His best hope is for the race to be wet enough that a dry line never forms and the teams have to run wets and then inters. He could very easily get an undercut if he's in touch at the pitstops.
No he wont have a chance if it stays wet. Remember that a race is more than just 1 hot lap. Willaims know how to heat tyres from 2010. Russel's car over a stint will have its tres at the same temperature as everyone else's and that little trick will vanish. He cannot win nor. podium with this car.
Hamilton on the other hand.. i observe he has is driving very maturely. He has risked nothing during the wet qualy and was consistently doing the right pace at the right time throughout the whole session. He has really got the best from the car, while being careful.
He will win tomorrow if it's wet with his approach. Chances are because of his experience, his long run wet weather pace will be better managed over the race and he will just waltz pass Max.
Max and Perez are very strong as well though. The car is looking very good if not the best her in all conditions. He can win easily if he makes no errors and manages his tyres well.
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Unless there's more shenanigans, the championship will be tied up tomorrow.
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godlameroso wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 23:32
Unless there's more shenanigans, the championship will be tied up tomorrow.
You mean that Max and Lewis will be tied on points? Or do you think that whoever wins tomorrow will go on to win the title?
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Just_a_fan wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 23:45
godlameroso wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 23:32
Unless there's more shenanigans, the championship will be tied up tomorrow.
You mean that Max and Lewis will be tied on points? Or do you think that whoever wins tomorrow will go on to win the title?
Yeah I read that as if someone was going to win the championship tomorrow :lol:
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Just_a_fan wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 23:45
godlameroso wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 23:32
Unless there's more shenanigans, the championship will be tied up tomorrow.
You mean that Max and Lewis will be tied on points? Or do you think that whoever wins tomorrow will go on to win the title?
Equal on points, sorry for any miscommunication. The title is too close to call right now, only a fool would say one way or the other. Unless RBR takes another step forward we will have nail biters all the way to the end. May the best team win.
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Indeed, if no shenaningans occur, Max is going to win the GP and this is going to keep the WDC challenge interesting - as does Perez and Bottas.

However, especially if there is going to be rain, then i actually think we're gonna have some serious shenanigans tomorrow. Let's hope dangerous crashes will be avoided, but I do expect certain stuff to happen. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see something to happen with Max. That said, I think Lewis is also in for some problems. Russell's Williams was just bonkers good and apart from DRS, Russell is going to quite a big fish. His starts aren't the best but then again, this could help Lewis get passed and then see Russell fight for P2 or P1 even with Hamilton (or Max) when DRS sets in. Max has been crazy good in rain too, so would be interesting to see. I think we've got a very interesting Top 3, not to forget Daniel in the mix too.

What a huge crash Norris had, but he'll start from the pit if i understand correctly so essentially is taken out, which is a bummer as I think Norris would have had pole, and I think he would have the race win on sunday.

But let's not forget the other guy that did stellar: LATIFI.
Russell obviously did magnificient, but Latifi got his Williams to Q2 aswell, and is starting P12 (P11 with Norris out).

What I really, really would think is the most glorious thing to happen on sunday would be:

P1 - George Russell
P2 - Sebastian Vettel
P3 - Daniel Ricciardo

P9/P10 - Nicolas Latifi.

It would be a meteoric race, put Russel P13 in the standings, and solidify Williams in P8 in the WCC.
Vettel gets retribution for his last DSQ, and Daniel gets a good result for Mclaren.

Yes, this obviously means Max and Lewis did not finish the race. It's a scenario I can actually see happening even in a pretty hard crash, but also in a 'minor' crash.

Unfortunately though, I can also see Rusell getting unlucky after a bad start, and driving into Lewis and Max, but then we might get to have Vettel win the GP,
Ricciardo P2 and Perez P3.

I'm predicting a totally unpredictable and very eventfull SPA GP.
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Tizz wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 22:14
I was rather disappointed. I loved Russell coming in second. They definitely deserve something to celebrate at Williams. But I hoped the Ferrari's would be much closer and Ocon too. A pity that Lando crashed. I'm glad all the Heidfelds, Massa's and Barichello's finally disappeared. And that McLaren is almost back. There is so much more to see...
There's still Bottas though
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godlameroso wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 23:32
Unless there's more shenanigans, the championship will be tied up tomorrow.
Quoted.

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NathanOlder wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 23:11


No, your pointless stat means nothing buddy.

Adding up points across 3 seasons means nothing.
It's best to ignore them. Even if it's tempting to set the record straight and speak real history and stats. Nothing you say even with facts will change what is posted by some forum members.
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What is the weather like tomorrow and what kind of tyre strategy would be best?
I am trying to see if there will be any weakness by redbull or mercedes on a particular stint.
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Changing conditions. We have some stuff incoming from the sun, but it's hitting the other side of the world this time. Maybe it's a completely dry race, who knows.
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Issue for Russell, aside from the forecast, is how well the Williams will handle a high fuel loads and manage tyre temp.

Russell has never been known for his race craft or race pace so I suspect he will fall back pretty quickly down the order but stay within the top 10 if this is a wet race.

Interestingly, the amount of rainfall forecast for Sunday has been decreasing steadily overnight. Not a good news for Russell.