2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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Re: 2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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Mercedes are just too fast on another planet.

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Mr.S wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:00
NathanOlder wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 19:56
zibby43 wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 19:54


Can you imagine then if Hamilton lost the title by 1 point? And it was simply because they wanted the driver they let go to feel good before dropping to the back for the actual race?

I know you’re not the one deciding, so these pointed questions are aimed at Merc haha! Any other decision would be absolutely farcical by Mercedes, don’t you think?
Oh certainly , I hope Bottas lets Lewis go, then does a good job of backing Max in to the Mclarens :mrgreen:
In which case Max will get DRS & will try to overtake Bottas who will not have DRS (now that may or may not work).

And Max will have slipstream behind Bottas as well ! I am not sure if that is a great idea for Monza ! The Mclarens are quick enough to overtake RB without Bottas trying some ridiculous idea !
Mclaren even when they are there or thereabouts in quali trim cannot match a Redbull on race pace. I’ve yet to see it all year. I dont think they will challenge max apart from the start.

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Hammerfist wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:13
Mr.S wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:00
NathanOlder wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 19:56


Oh certainly , I hope Bottas lets Lewis go, then does a good job of backing Max in to the Mclarens :mrgreen:
In which case Max will get DRS & will try to overtake Bottas who will not have DRS (now that may or may not work).

And Max will have slipstream behind Bottas as well ! I am not sure if that is a great idea for Monza ! The Mclarens are quick enough to overtake RB without Bottas trying some ridiculous idea !
Mclaren even when they are there or thereabouts in quali trim cannot match a Redbull on race pace. I’ve yet to see it all year. I dont think they will challenge max apart from the start.
I think it also depends on how much RedBull or Mclaren want to push their engines on that first lap.

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Mr.S wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:01
zibby43 wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 19:58
NathanOlder wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 19:56


Oh certainly , I hope Bottas lets Lewis go, then does a good job of backing Max in to the Mclarens :mrgreen:
I think that’s the perfect strategy. =D>

That’s the sort of ruthless tactic RBR would employ. And Merc need to get with the program.
And give him DRS & slip-stream, great. Only chance for Max to finish 2nd & get 2 points in the Sprint race !
Merc won’t do it because BOT would foul it up and let that happen. With a fresh engine and a good package this weekend, BOT shouldn’t be anywhere near VER by the sprint’s end.

Verstappen won’t be troubled too much by the McLarens and may have a lonely P3 each race.

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Hammerfist wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:13
Mr.S wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:00
NathanOlder wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 19:56


Oh certainly , I hope Bottas lets Lewis go, then does a good job of backing Max in to the Mclarens :mrgreen:
In which case Max will get DRS & will try to overtake Bottas who will not have DRS (now that may or may not work).

And Max will have slipstream behind Bottas as well ! I am not sure if that is a great idea for Monza ! The Mclarens are quick enough to overtake RB without Bottas trying some ridiculous idea !
Mclaren even when they are there or thereabouts in quali trim cannot match a Redbull on race pace. I’ve yet to see it all year. I dont think they will challenge max apart from the start.
exactly this. so could be a lonely race for Max, but all depends on the start.
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Mr.S wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:03
NathanOlder wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:00
Mr.S wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 19:57


Which is irrelevant, Bottas will take 2 points & Max 1 in the sprint race (if he can keep the Mclarens behind). Realistically the RB was slower than Mercedes & Mclaren & should have been 5th. To start 3rd for the sprint & potentially 2nd for the race (with Bottas penalty) is great for RB.

And LH was less than 1 tenth ahead while having a car 3-4 tenths ahead & had a tow in his lap, so Max/RB should be happy !
wtf are you on about. Look at the results! or open your eyes! Lewis was over 3 tenths ahead of Max!

Stop trying to make trouble, you look foolish now you don't even understand how the leaderboard works!
In the 1st lap of Q3, they were which essentially allowed Max to finish ahead of Norris & Ricciardo !

Lewis did improve on the 2nd lap but he was less than 1 tenth ahead of Max in his 1st lap in Q3 & that allowed Max to start in P3 (which can become P2) potentially with Bottas penalty. Being ahead of Bottas & within 1 tenth of Hamilton in his 1st Q3 lap was amazing !

Well in that case, if we go back to your first bs message about this, you said Lewis had a tow, when if you paid attention, Lewis did not have a tow on his first run in Q3. Or in reality you actually just thought Max qualified a tenth behind Lewis and are now trying to cover that up.

What ever it is, you are wrong on this one in your attempt to make Lewis look bad.
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As others have called out, the most probably strategy tomorrow is for both Mercs to pull clear of the field and then invert the cars. Bottas will start at the back for the GP regardless of what happens tomorrow, so it makes little sense for him to win the sprint.

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Diesel wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:25
As others have called out, the most probably strategy tomorrow is for both Mercs to pull clear of the field and then invert the cars. Bottas will start at the back for the GP regardless of what happens tomorrow, so it makes little sense for him to win the sprint.
Yeah good point, and 1 extra point means nothing to Bottas now.
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Unless... Bottas is going to be unruly, having contract with Alfa. Yes... I'm so naive I know ^^

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This was not that good for Merc tbh. 100 % that Max will take P2 into turn one tomorrow with the dirty side for Lewis.

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Mr.S wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:03
Being ahead of Bottas & within 1 tenth of Hamilton in his 1st Q3 lap was amazing !
Max had a tow from 2 cars, and Lewis had none, that's why we was as close as he was! Did you actually watch qualifying?
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He did watch , he just doesn't care and makes up his own alternative facts as he goes along ..

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dans79 wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:33
Mr.S wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:03
Being ahead of Bottas & within 1 tenth of Hamilton in his 1st Q3 lap was amazing !
Max had a tow from 2 cars, and Lewis had none, that's why we was as close as he was! Did you actually watch qualifying?
Still going with this "double tow" narrative eh? It makes no difference. A tow is a tow, the number of cars ahead has a negligible effect.

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Tvetovnato wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 20:32
This was not that good for Merc tbh. 100 % that Max will take P2 into turn one tomorrow with the dirty side for Lewis.
It’s not 100%. And it wouldn’t matter anyway with Merc’s pace.

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Mr.S wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 19:55
Juzh wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 19:29
So I had a look at some telemetries. It seems norris either had an issue with PU or ran out of charge out of ascari and on the run to parabolica. He was 7 kmh off ricciardo (325 vs 332) and started to de-rate much earlier and harder. Without this it seems P3 was on the cards for him today.
It probably was. It was mega lap by Max even with the tow (which everyone bar Perez had). Mclaren this weekend is quicker than RB. RB possibly 3-4 tenths down on Merc, Mclaren possibly a tenth quicker or atleast on same pace as RB. Max will struggle to keep Norris behind him with DRS on.

Anyways I think Mercedes did a blunder with Bottas. Their car being 3-4 tenths quicker would have allowed Bottas to get to P2 even with the old engine & if he started P4-P5. P11 or P12 is just too behind. On pure pace, Hamilton, Bottas, Norris & Ricciardo are all quicker than RB. And if the podium is a Hamilton-Verstappen-Norris with Perez finishing ahead of Bottas, RB will be quite happy !
Mr.S. I prefer your frequent updates on which car is faster than RedBull in bold text, all caps. Looks a bit better and you give more impact that way. And can I get the updates every 2 posts instead of the current frequency of every 4 posts that you do now? Yeah, that would be great.

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