2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Not end of the world. Gained more points on Norris with this result than p1-p2 :D

Also, Norris may face a grid drop at Silverstone

Anyway the pace was good. Just the pitstop that made things close

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Max should face multiple penalties for all the times he moved under braking.

Tack on a unsportsmanlike conduct charge on top of it.
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positive: extended WDC lead

negative: pit stop, race pace inferior to McLaren towards end of race, like in past events

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Reminds me of Imola 2021... Pit crew messes up pitsop and Max does his tactical crash, either that gives him points advantage or nobody gets points. Smart.

10 second penalty deserved and served.
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also, why tf they didn't tell him about Norris' (high risk of) penalty ? could have been a bit less hard

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Sergej wrote:
30 Jun 2024, 16:44
also, why tf they didn't tell him about Norris' (high risk of) penalty ? could have been a bit less hard
Good point, I believe they were not sure if he would get that or not... GP was sleeping today and so was the pit crew.
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organic wrote:
30 Jun 2024, 16:33
Not end of the world. Gained more points on Norris with this result than p1-p2 :D

Also, Norris may face a grid drop at Silverstone

Anyway the pace was good. Just the pitstop that made things close
There's something not right about the stints in my opinion. The car starts off strongly and then the grip drops off a cliff later. Happened in both of the first 2 stints. It was a more severe drop off on the hard tire. The rear was moving a lot. Max was just hanging on for the last 5-7 laps of that hard tire stint. Rear was sliding in T6, T7, T9, T10 exit.
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The team should've told Max about the impending penalty. High likelihood Max would've held within 5s of Norris by the end if he knew that's all he needed

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He definitely should have been told about it.

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Max is in the blame here. Though I believe FIA should have warned Max for moving under braking and should have been quicker to give penalty for track limits to Norris, that would have calmed things down by a bit. But guess they wanted to leave drivers uncertain to keep the fight

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Colossal bottle by Max in the outlap with that front lock in turn 4. Lost time and gave Norris the DRS which is crazy in this track. Maybe even had a flat spot and a loss of performance for the following laps.

Main issue was the slow stop though.

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Xyz22 wrote:
30 Jun 2024, 16:59
Colossal bottle by Max in the outlap with that front lock in turn 4. Lost time and gave Norris the DRS which is crazy in this track. Maybe even had a flat spot and a loss of performance for the following laps.

Main issue was the slow stop though.
Lockup didn't flatspot his tyres so wasn't a big deal, and that didn't give Norris the DRS either, gap was more than 1 seconds and Norris had backmarkers ahead of him, he cleared them and closed the gap to Max.
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TNTHead wrote:
30 Jun 2024, 16:46
The Max haters creeping out of their holes again on this forum. This is racing as it should be. Didn't we see a wonderful race?

Red Bull made it tough with the failed pit stop.
It definitely not the racing as it should be. Max did what Nico did to Lewis in 2016 at the exact same venue.

In the past when Lando didn't have the car to fight Max, he simply let Max go and people questioned why he does that. Now that Lando has the car to fight, he will fight hard and Max need to be a bit more matured in not fighting it too hard and let simple gap to see how it goes. Yesterday in Sprint, it was a great mug by Max, but today he was sloppy. But I am not surprised. As much a great talent he is, under pressure, he can still make the mistakes of the early career Max.

The drop in pace for that car was crazy. From the second stint, Lando started catching Max and one simple mistake in pit, brought Lando so much closer. It's not like Lando was on super softs and Max was on hards. There was probably 2 or 3 laps of stress on the Mediums that Max had over Lando, who had fresh ones. But the pace drop was quite significant. Max was so vulenrable that he was no in place to defend. Very very strange car behavior.

Hats off to my favorite Perez, he fought an excellent battle with a Haas! It was heartening to see that.

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Silent Storm wrote:
30 Jun 2024, 16:58
Macklaren wrote:
30 Jun 2024, 16:55
Max loyalists thinking that the last 3 years have exorcised AD2021 are now getting the reminder of who he really is. I guess if they still support him it shows who THEY really are
Max fans never said max wasn't a dirty driver... we know who he is :lol:
He is not a criminal that there should be any shame in supporting him.
Go watch the crash derby then. Moving under braking is dangerous. That’s entirely the reason that it’s supposed to be treated very harshly. Stewards asleep at the wheel apparently.

Not to mention Max and GP complaining about Norris divebombs which Max used heavily in 2020/2021 and was primarily the reason the rules were looked at differently to allow that sort of driving. Hypocritical.

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From RBR perspective they have to solve the niggling issues and the car degrading during a race, it's crazy the difference.