Singapore GP 2011 - Marina Bay Street Circuit

[ajdavison2]

I know this has been discussed, but I'm more irritated that Rosberg didn't get a penalty for an incident which was remarkably similar to Ham's... except that Perez didn't lose out as much as Massa.

[timbo]

2009 - Silverstone - didn't he crash when running 3rd juts few laps before the end? Monaco, a silly crash in the most important quali of the year....

That was not a Silverstone, it was Monza, I put that on the list.
Well, I did not count Monaco crash as I mostly put race incidents.
Not, I don't want to transpire as some sort of Hamilton hater. I do recognize that he is a damn fast, and among the fastests of the field. However, the attitude of some of his fanboys (including ringo) is ridiculous. Whatever he does he have right to and of anybody has a problem with that he's wrong. I'm pretty sure his lack of progress as a racer (try to calculate how many points he lost this season) is because people around him has the same fanboy attitude. He is deeply hurt by the absence of his farther who seemed to be the only man able to tame his temper.

[Just_a_fan]

not that many 'silly' mistakes actually.

Indeed, he used to drive in to people on purpose...

[timbo]

No matter how stupid was that mistake from Hamiltons part,Massa's behaviour is completely unacceptable.He did the same reaction with Alonso back in Nurburgring in 2007...He is a usual whiner when things dont go well for him.I can also see why he was so frustrating in the end...Because Hamilton managed 5th with the extra pitstop and the drive-through while himself went out of talent and was struggling to pass the William's and Force India's...

He did 2/3 of the lap on three wheels, and Ferrari was clearly inferior to McLaren this race (compare Button/Alonso). So, overall he did a respectful comeback drive.
Now also take into consideration qualifying and I can clearly see the reasons for Massa to be upset.

[i70q7m7ghw]

I don't think DRS made things that easy at Singapore, I think there was just alot of 'yeilding' going on. Alot of drivers decided to just get on with their own races and let the quicker cars through, Hamilton wasn't one of those btw

Just on the Massa Vs. Hamilton thing for this season, lets just think about why those two seem to meet so much on track. Lewis has made several mistakes this year which have put him out of position in a race and required a fight back through the field. Massa has been in poor form this season and has been running in the mid-field. Massa has also been displaying a very 'robust' defense this year, remember Melbourne with Button stuck behind him? I think this has basically given us a recipe for disaster and it's only getting worse as both drivers blame each other more and more. I'm sure when Massa sees Hamilton in his mirrors now he tightens up a bit and thinks to himself he's not going to make it easy. Lewis probably does a similar thing when stuck behind Massa.

I think Massa's biggest character flaw at the moment is his contant 'whining' etc. He's making excuses because he knows he's at serious risk of losing his drive. This thing that really upsets me is he is always forming opinions about other drivers, and in my book that's bang out of order. It's okay to comment about an incident and fight your side so to speak, but certain drivers this year have been going beyond that and it's borderline defamation of character.

[i70q7m7ghw]

No matter how stupid was that mistake from Hamiltons part,Massa's behaviour is completely unacceptable.He did the same reaction with Alonso back in Nurburgring in 2007...He is a usual whiner when things dont go well for him.I can also see why he was so frustrating in the end...Because Hamilton managed 5th with the extra pitstop and the drive-through while himself went out of talent and was struggling to pass the William's and Force India's...

He did 2/3 of the lap on three wheels, and Ferrari was clearly inferior to McLaren this race (compare Button/Alonso). So, overall he did a respectful comeback drive.
Now also take into consideration qualifying and I can clearly see the reasons for Massa to be upset.

There was no contact in qualifying, and if you ask me Massa was in the wrong, check the replay and you'll see blue flags.

[beelsebob]

No matter how stupid was that mistake from Hamiltons part,Massa's behaviour is completely unacceptable.He did the same reaction with Alonso back in Nurburgring in 2007...He is a usual whiner when things dont go well for him.I can also see why he was so frustrating in the end...Because Hamilton managed 5th with the extra pitstop and the drive-through while himself went out of talent and was struggling to pass the William's and Force India's...

He did 2/3 of the lap on three wheels, and Ferrari was clearly inferior to McLaren this race (compare Button/Alonso). So, overall he did a respectful comeback drive.
Now also take into consideration qualifying and I can clearly see the reasons for Massa to be upset.

I don't get what Massa has to be upset about in Qualifying. He was trying to back Hamilton up to get a clear lap, Hamilton had every right to try and get his own clear lap.

[timbo]

I don't get what Massa has to be upset about in Qualifying. He was trying to back Hamilton up to get a clear lap, Hamilton had every right to try and get his own clear lap.

Usually it is done by slowing down. There's no need to overtake in current format.
What's funny is that Hamilton spoiled his own lap by being too close to Alonso.

[ESPImperium]

Good race.

Im on a cringe fest this weekend, but saftey car should shuffle the cars back into race order, essencially the SC rule circa 2009. Then get them to race back to the back of the formation without gaining a posistion.

Id like to see this as i think it would have given some f-off racing at the mid-point of the race. Yes it may delay the restary by 2 or 3 laps, i think racing has suffered as a result sometimes.

Good race tho!!

[ringo]

Can you list the Hamilton mistakes? Most of them were in this year. He's not a mistake prone driver.
Risk prone yes.

2008 — Bahrain, Canada, France, Brazil.
2009 — Australia, Italy.
2010 — Valencia, Italy, Singapore (also practice crashes in Germany and Japan).

2009 - Silverstone - didn't he crash when running 3rd juts few laps before the end? Monaco, a silly crash in the most important quali of the year....

Ha ha , trying to cut down a mountain with a garden spade?

And after all that digging up dirt?

Still most feared and demanded driver in F1.

No one's perfect.

Season's not done yet though. Just give him Vettel on track 1 on 1. Then you'll see mistakes from the german. He'll crying like Felipe Baby.

[Poleman]

Massa gets angry easy...I dont rule out the possibility that we may see him pulling a "Maldonado" on Hamilton in the remaining races if that thing goes on.

[beelsebob]

I don't get what Massa has to be upset about in Qualifying. He was trying to back Hamilton up to get a clear lap, Hamilton had every right to try and get his own clear lap.

Usually it is done by slowing down. There's no need to overtake in current format.
What's funny is that Hamilton spoiled his own lap by being too close to Alonso.

Except that Massa was already crawling, the only result of slowing further would have been cold breaks, and cold tyres, resulting in a crap lap. Not forgetting that he would have needed a pretty enormous gap to get clear of massa's slow lap in front of him. I absolutely don't see any option other than get past the slower car in that scenario.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

No matter how stupid was that mistake from Hamiltons part,Massa's behaviour is completely unacceptable.He did the same reaction with Alonso back in Nurburgring in 2007...He is a usual whiner when things dont go well for him.I can also see why he was so frustrating in the end...Because Hamilton managed 5th with the extra pitstop and the drive-through while himself went out of talent and was struggling to pass the William's and Force India's...

How would you react after being punted in the rear? Im not condoning Massa's actions, but I do understand them.
Hamilton is having a bad run at present and I cant help feel this is a combination of bad luck and Button putting the squeeze on him.

Maybe this is the learning curve he didnt have in 07, 08, 09 and '10. This is by a long shot his worst season and I also think he is way too talented to fall by the wayside. He just needs to learn to be more patient, if he gets that he would be devastating....well as devastating as you can be if you aren't in a Red Bull spaceship with plasma generators.

[timbo]

Still most feared and demanded driver in F1.

At least not by RedBull.

No one's perfect.

Question is, does he become better?

[i70q7m7ghw]

Blue flags in qualifying for Massa:-



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