2021 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, Dec 03 - 05

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politburo
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atanatizante wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:38
"Footage from Hamilton’s onboard camera showed him passing yellow flags as he approached turn 13 while he was on a flying lap around 20 minutes into the session. Hamilton did not appear to significantly decelerate."

source: https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/04/ham ... ringement/
but the yellows were for the car that went off the track in T9 to avoid impeding Hamilton. Tsunoda. I doubt you can penalize for that even if the yellow flag was only symbolic.
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Tvetovnato
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No penalty! Decision on FIA website

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I can see outside influences attempting to pressure the powers that be to really turn the screws on Hamilton since he has been so vocal (rightfully so) in various middle east countries as of late... :o

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Tvetovnato wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:45
No penalty! Decision on FIA website
What about the other one?

politburo
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Tvetovnato wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:45
No penalty! Decision on FIA website
Yeah after watching the tracker that cannot be a penalty, it was Tsunoda who was off-track because he was taking avoiding action at T9.
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Marty_Y wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:47
Tvetovnato wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:45
No penalty! Decision on FIA website
What about the other one?
Most likely will not be a penalty as well. And people will complain either way despite the fact it probably doesn't matter. Overtaking is not so hard on this track. Game on!
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*** this! To all the kids out there.

I had a look at the onboard and he was not full beans.
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Marty_Y wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:47
Tvetovnato wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:45
No penalty! Decision on FIA website
What about the other one?
Should be a reprimand. Sadly, he will get away with it.

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Marty_Y wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:47
Tvetovnato wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:45
No penalty! Decision on FIA website
What about the other one?
The other one seems less likely to result in a penalty given what Masi said over the radio, but you never know.

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Is there somewhere that we can see the yellow flag situation.

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politburo wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:41
dans79 wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:26
politburo wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:24


Alright fair enough. You can always watch it after. I understand you might get spiteful at Masi, but not all of it is his fault, remember that only the race stewards decide on these things - Masi just takes the heat cause he gets to communicate to the teams and you can hear him on the radios.
If you check my posts from yesterday you will see that I said they should have set minimum track speeds everywhere not just a minimum laptop.
That's fair as well - I'd say I agree with that, they should set a minimum time spent in each sector. But the impeding stuff is unrelated to that, Bono was late on the radio and the corner (t8) is blind, really the only way he would've known of Mazepin is if Bono told him. It happens, and I think it'd be harsh to give a penalty but as you know they like to give penalties based on consequence, and given there is no consequence (like a crash) maybe there won't be a penalty.
It's exactly the opposite though!
The penalty is decided regardless of the consequences, that's what FIA always say.
Not very true imho

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I re-watched the onboards - of Verstappen, Tsunoda, Hamilton, Perez, and Bottas, who were driving in that order on that lap.

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Tsunoda goes off track to make space for Hamilton at turn 8/9

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You can see a board in the distance, but that is a blue flag shown, as evidenced by this picture, where even before Tsunoda leaves the track, the board is shown for him. In any case the yellow flag is more clear and a diagonal half of the board.

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By the time the actual yellow flags are shown, Hamilton has already left the scene and is steaming towards 11/12/13 and passing Verstappen. The yellow flag is first shown for Perez on a board at turn 8, which he sees on his left hand side just after turning from 7 to 8.

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Subsequently, Bottas comes up to Perez, and just before he is about to pass him in the same 7/8/9/10 complex, a single-waved flag is shown on the same board.

Tsunoda going off track for Hamilton:

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Blue flag still being shown for Tsunoda as Hamilton passes him:

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Here A flag is shown, but Hamilton passes it so fast, from the onboard it is not clear if it's yellow, single-waved, or double-waved, it's just not clear AT ALL.

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Another frame

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In any case, the yellow flag was shown for an off-track incident that happened a mere milisecond before Hamilton passes Tsunoda. Once Tsunoda is actually off-track, Hamilton is already well clear of the incident scene.

Any penalty for this would be absolutely ridiculous.

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politburo
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El Scorchio wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:50
Marty_Y wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:47
Tvetovnato wrote:
04 Dec 2021, 18:45
No penalty! Decision on FIA website
What about the other one?
The other one seems less likely to result in a penalty given what Masi said over the radio, but you never know.
Masi does not make decisions regarding penalties though. He just acts almost as a bridge between the teams and the stewards on top of all his other work inspecting the track, ensuring all barriers are safe and also deciding the pre- and post-race procedure, post-qualy procedure etc.
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