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28 Feb 2024, 18:14
Honestly, I have more faith in Yuki to lead RB this year. I could be wrong, it's okay.
In the last 5 races Yuki beat Ric in all classifications (except Mexico due to engine change). He scored more points than Ric.
I think we are going to have a nice fight this year, I understand that there are many Riccardo fans in this forum.
But I wouldn't be surprised to see Yuki lead the team this year, he finished very strong last year.
This is why some of you guys can;t be taken seriously. He did NOT beat Dan in all classifications. Thats just blatant nonsense. See my previous post on the head to head. You also completely ignore the fact he was not at his best recovering from a broken hand as well.
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continuum16 wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 22:34
djos wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 22:28
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28 Feb 2024, 14:55
The question that needs answering is "is Ricciardo still the driver he once was or is the Ricciardo that drove for McLaren permanent?"
You watched Mexico qualifying right?
Yes, when Ricciardo’s teammate didn’t take part and then later (in the race) was within one position of DR despite starting last before making an admittedly amateurish mistake. I don’t think the Mexico qualifying was evidence of much more than the AT04 being in a good setup window and Ricciardo’s ability to keep it in track limits.
Wow this really smacks of anti Ricciardo bias. Again another post that can;t really be taken seriously due to omission of facts to suit a negative narrative. For a start Yuki made multiple mistakes in that race. The only reason Tsunoda was within a bulls roar of Ricciardo in that race was due to Kmag's suspension failure causing a red flag and allowing him to catch up.

To pass off Ricciardo's magnificent qualifying as merely a good car setup is just plain disrespectful. They guy was universally praised after that weekend, he qualified within a tenth of Max who was in P2! Also Ricciardo should have probably finished the race 5th but was screwed out of that with the red flag with other cars around him were able to bolt on newer tyres which Ricciardo didn't have. Honestly the fact omissions on some of these posts almost beggars belief.

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Mclarensenna wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 09:02
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 04:05
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29 Feb 2024, 03:03


Being better able to cope with an trustworthy car doesn't automatically mean he's a better driver.
We get it, you’re a huge Ricci fan and I share the sentiment. But fact is, he totally lost his way at Macca. Blaming the car is hardly the right call. He’s a fast driver but clearly with a fairly one dimensional driving style. He’s fast just not very adaptable otherwise he’d have stacked up better against LN in his time there.
He stacked up well initially against MV at RB but got resoundingly beaten in the last year with Red Bull. He’s good, just not a great imho
"We get it, you’re a huge Ricci fan and I share the sentiment."

<--- Are you really claiming you share the same sentiment of being a huge Ricci fan also? I am slightly confused by this statement. :?: :wtf:

"But fact is, he totally lost his way at Macca. "

<---- Redbull themselves said Ric picked up terrible driving habits that they never saw before on not just Ric but any racing driver. Ric himself never had these driving traits in the 2009, 2010 or 2013 rebull tests 2 years at Torro Rosso or the 5 years driving for Redbull. (thats 10 years of telemetry in many different cars, V8, V6, blown diffuser etc etc) The fact Redbull looked at the telemetry and clearly said these driving habits (picked up driving the Mclaren) had to be "completely unlearnt" and were a "terrible", and a "slow" way to drive a racecar shows clearly Ric did not lose his way at all but Mclaren did designing such a terrible car that needed such odd driving habits to drive it. I am slightly confused why a "huge Ricci fan" would completely ignore the redbulls telemetry statements on Rics driving style completely, but instead claim Ric has "1 dimensional driving style" :?

"He’s fast just not very adaptable"

<------- Ric was smashing lap record times in the 2009, 2010, and 2013 redbull tests. Not to mention the 2023 RBR silverstone test (rusty as as hadn't driven a f1 car since the year before even, and was quicker than perez after a few laps and would have been on the front row. (that's serious serious adaptability =D> ) Not to also mention the HRT, the Torro Rosso adaptability . Also the Renault beating the Hulk in his first year =D> something Sainz was not able to adapt to and do.

Then destroying Ocon 15/2 in qualifying and in race pace . Again Alonso never destroyed Ocon by these margins which suggests Ric adapted much better than Alonso even in that Renault when comparing both to Ocon. Ric proved he is 1 of the most adapatble drivers in 2009 (testing) , 2010 , 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 and the 2023 (testing) =D> . That is a pretty obvious fact. So i am slightly confused why a "huge Ricci fan" would say the complete opposite in relation to Rics adaptability over the years? A driver with a "1 dimensional driving style" "who was "not adaptable" would not have adapted to so many F1 cars over the years.

"He stacked up well initially against MV at RB but got resoundingly beaten in the last year with Red Bull. He’s good, just not a great imho"

<------ Ric in his 3rd year was ahead at the mid season break with 2 wins China and Monaco to his name. He also got the only 2 pole positions that year in redbull. Ric though had 8 retirements, 0 his fault that year. But yep lets call that Max "resoundingly beat him and Ric is not a great." Are statements like this really something a huge Ricci fan would say? I guess huge Ric fans come in all shapes and sizes as they say :)
Finally someone else other than DJOS who actually has a grasp of all of the facts and isn;t just cherry picking to suit a negative narrative.

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Hehe, darn good post it was too! Lovely work @MclarenSenna

Anyone reading these negative comments would be wondering why the authors aren’t running F1 teams, they clearly know more than the senior managers and TP’s at RBR / RB. #-o
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djos wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 12:35
Hehe, darn good post it was too! Lovely work @MclarenSenna
Very true. Not asking for alot just present all the facts and debate/post in good faith.

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I apologize if my comment sparked a ridiculous debate.
I only said that in my personal opinion, Yuki finished last year stronger than Riccardo.
I was blamed for ignoring data and when I go to the F1 records, I find the following.
From the US GP to the Abu Dhabi GP:
Classification
Tsunoda 3 - 2 Riccardo
Points earned
Tsunoda 11 - 6 Riccardo

Obviously each race has its story, each driver has his problem, luck or bad luck. But that's for all pilots. And at the end of the day the only thing that matters in F1 is the final results.

People get offended if a rookie beats a more experienced driver, I don't know why you guys get like that, I didn't think Riccardo fans were so intense. Nothing happens if a rookie beats Riccardo, it is not the first nor the last time it happens in F1.

I prefer to enjoy 2024 and see a nice fight between Riccardo and Tsunoda and may the best one win. But you must calm his fanaticism.

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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 10:42
Mclarensenna wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 09:02
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 04:05


We get it, you’re a huge Ricci fan and I share the sentiment. But fact is, he totally lost his way at Macca. Blaming the car is hardly the right call. He’s a fast driver but clearly with a fairly one dimensional driving style. He’s fast just not very adaptable otherwise he’d have stacked up better against LN in his time there.
He stacked up well initially against MV at RB but got resoundingly beaten in the last year with Red Bull. He’s good, just not a great imho
"We get it, you’re a huge Ricci fan and I share the sentiment."

<--- Are you really claiming you share the same sentiment of being a huge Ricci fan also? I am slightly confused by this statement. :?: :wtf:

"But fact is, he totally lost his way at Macca. "

<---- Redbull themselves said Ric picked up terrible driving habits that they never saw before on not just Ric but any racing driver. Ric himself never had these driving traits in the 2009, 2010 or 2013 rebull tests 2 years at Torro Rosso or the 5 years driving for Redbull. (thats 10 years of telemetry in many different cars, V8, V6, blown diffuser etc etc) The fact Redbull looked at the telemetry and clearly said these driving habits (picked up driving the Mclaren) had to be "completely unlearnt" and were a "terrible", and a "slow" way to drive a racecar shows clearly Ric did not lose his way at all but Mclaren did designing such a terrible car that needed such odd driving habits to drive it. I am slightly confused why a "huge Ricci fan" would completely ignore the redbulls telemetry statements on Rics driving style completely, but instead claim Ric has "1 dimensional driving style" :?

"He’s fast just not very adaptable"

<------- Ric was smashing lap record times in the 2009, 2010, and 2013 redbull tests. Not to mention the 2023 RBR silverstone test (rusty as as hadn't driven a f1 car since the year before even, and was quicker than perez after a few laps and would have been on the front row. (that's serious serious adaptability =D> ) Not to also mention the HRT, the Torro Rosso adaptability . Also the Renault beating the Hulk in his first year =D> something Sainz was not able to adapt to and do.

Then destroying Ocon 15/2 in qualifying and in race pace . Again Alonso never destroyed Ocon by these margins which suggests Ric adapted much better than Alonso even in that Renault when comparing both to Ocon. Ric proved he is 1 of the most adapatble drivers in 2009 (testing) , 2010 , 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 and the 2023 (testing) =D> . That is a pretty obvious fact. So i am slightly confused why a "huge Ricci fan" would say the complete opposite in relation to Rics adaptability over the years? A driver with a "1 dimensional driving style" "who was "not adaptable" would not have adapted to so many F1 cars over the years.

"He stacked up well initially against MV at RB but got resoundingly beaten in the last year with Red Bull. He’s good, just not a great imho"

<------ Ric in his 3rd year was ahead at the mid season break with 2 wins China and Monaco to his name. He also got the only 2 pole positions that year in redbull. Ric though had 8 retirements, 0 his fault that year. But yep lets call that Max "resoundingly beat him and Ric is not a great." Are statements like this really something a huge Ricci fan would say? I guess huge Ric fans come in all shapes and sizes as they say :)
I share the sentiment in that I really did rate him as a driver. But it’s fair to say his form at MCL was abysmal, you cannot put that all down to the car. That’s way to convenient an excuse when your teammate doesn’t like the car either but makes it work.
I sincerely hope he has rediscovered his prior speed but Yuki so far seems to have been on a par with him. I stand by my statement that hes probably a little one dimensional driving style wise. The great can drive around issues, the good can’t.

Yes, I’m still a Ricci fan and defended him for a long time when he was with us at Macca but it was the right call to part ways. But am a fan of him as a person and being “last of the late brakers”. We need him to do well in this sport, the guy is ace.
"The great can drive around issues, the good can’t."

<----- I am quite surprised a huge Ric fan would make such a statement. As this would mean Sainz is not good but "great" as he drove around the major Mclaren issues and beat Norris both years. Sainz the great in better handling cars like the Torro Rosso got walloped by Max, Ferrari (did ok but got fired) and Renault was sub par and got beaten by Hulk. Ric is the opposite. He smashed it and was a great in the Torro Rosso for 2 years, Smashed it 5 years in the redbull, and smashed it 2 years at Renault beating Hulk and smashing Ocon. But yes Ric did poorly in a terrible car like Mclaren.

So its not true to claim a driver is great because he can work around the major driving issues the Mclaren had as we have clear proof it does not make you a a great in the Sainz example.

"I sincerely hope he has rediscovered his prior speed but Yuki so far seems to have been on a par with him."

<----- Ric never lost his speed (in fast balanced cars).. Being rusty, as he never drove an F1 car since the year before, Ric In just 10 laps was already faster than Perez a guy driving that car for years. Do you know what level of speed and talent you need to achieve something of this sheer magnitude?

Even a great like Ham IMHO would have needed countless laps then come into the pits to gloss over the telemetry and speak to the engineers to see where he was losing speed to Max etc, make some setup changes then have another go or 2 at it. This is beyond world class adaptability to be so rusty and let your sheer talent alone put that car on the front row in 10 laps without looking at telemetry and making some setup changes next to Max who is at the absolute top of his game. (One can only imagine what Ric would have done with 3 practise sessions) I'm very surprised a huge Ric fan completely glossed over this absolutely monumental achievement and somehow think Ric needs to rediscover his speed? wow :o
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Mclarensenna wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 15:16
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 10:42
Mclarensenna wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 09:02


"We get it, you’re a huge Ricci fan and I share the sentiment."

<--- Are you really claiming you share the same sentiment of being a huge Ricci fan also? I am slightly confused by this statement. :?: :wtf:

"But fact is, he totally lost his way at Macca. "

<---- Redbull themselves said Ric picked up terrible driving habits that they never saw before on not just Ric but any racing driver. Ric himself never had these driving traits in the 2009, 2010 or 2013 rebull tests 2 years at Torro Rosso or the 5 years driving for Redbull. (thats 10 years of telemetry in many different cars, V8, V6, blown diffuser etc etc) The fact Redbull looked at the telemetry and clearly said these driving habits (picked up driving the Mclaren) had to be "completely unlearnt" and were a "terrible", and a "slow" way to drive a racecar shows clearly Ric did not lose his way at all but Mclaren did designing such a terrible car that needed such odd driving habits to drive it. I am slightly confused why a "huge Ricci fan" would completely ignore the redbulls telemetry statements on Rics driving style completely, but instead claim Ric has "1 dimensional driving style" :?

"He’s fast just not very adaptable"

<------- Ric was smashing lap record times in the 2009, 2010, and 2013 redbull tests. Not to mention the 2023 RBR silverstone test (rusty as as hadn't driven a f1 car since the year before even, and was quicker than perez after a few laps and would have been on the front row. (that's serious serious adaptability =D> ) Not to also mention the HRT, the Torro Rosso adaptability . Also the Renault beating the Hulk in his first year =D> something Sainz was not able to adapt to and do.

Then destroying Ocon 15/2 in qualifying and in race pace . Again Alonso never destroyed Ocon by these margins which suggests Ric adapted much better than Alonso even in that Renault when comparing both to Ocon. Ric proved he is 1 of the most adapatble drivers in 2009 (testing) , 2010 , 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 and the 2023 (testing) =D> . That is a pretty obvious fact. So i am slightly confused why a "huge Ricci fan" would say the complete opposite in relation to Rics adaptability over the years? A driver with a "1 dimensional driving style" "who was "not adaptable" would not have adapted to so many F1 cars over the years.

"He stacked up well initially against MV at RB but got resoundingly beaten in the last year with Red Bull. He’s good, just not a great imho"

<------ Ric in his 3rd year was ahead at the mid season break with 2 wins China and Monaco to his name. He also got the only 2 pole positions that year in redbull. Ric though had 8 retirements, 0 his fault that year. But yep lets call that Max "resoundingly beat him and Ric is not a great." Are statements like this really something a huge Ricci fan would say? I guess huge Ric fans come in all shapes and sizes as they say :)
I share the sentiment in that I really did rate him as a driver. But it’s fair to say his form at MCL was abysmal, you cannot put that all down to the car. That’s way to convenient an excuse when your teammate doesn’t like the car either but makes it work.
I sincerely hope he has rediscovered his prior speed but Yuki so far seems to have been on a par with him. I stand by my statement that hes probably a little one dimensional driving style wise. The great can drive around issues, the good can’t.

Yes, I’m still a Ricci fan and defended him for a long time when he was with us at Macca but it was the right call to part ways. But am a fan of him as a person and being “last of the late brakers”. We need him to do well in this sport, the guy is ace.
"The great can drive around issues, the good can’t."

<----- I am quite surprised a huge Ric fan would make such a statement. As this would mean Sainz is not good but "great" as he drove around the major Mclaren issues and beat Norris both years. Sainz the great in better handling cars like the Torro Rosso got walloped by Max, Ferrari (did ok but got fired) and Renault was sub par and got beaten by Hulk. Ric is the opposite. He smashed it and was a great in the Torro Rosso for 2 years, Smashed it 5 years in the redbull, and smashed it 2 years at Renault beating Hulk and smashing Ocon. But yes Ric did poorly in a terrible car like Mclaren.

So its not true to claim a driver is great because he can work around the major driving issues the Mclaren had as we have clear proof it does not make you a a great in the Sainz example.

"I sincerely hope he has rediscovered his prior speed but Yuki so far seems to have been on a par with him."

<----- Ric never lost his speed (in fast balanced cars).. Being rusty, as he never drove an F1 car since the year before, Ric In just 10 laps was already faster than Perez a guy driving that car for years. Do you know what level of speed and talent you need to achieve something of this sheer magnitude?

Even a great like Ham IMHO would have needed countless laps then come into the pits to gloss over the telemetry and speak to the engineers to see where he was losing speed to Max etc, make some setup changes then have another go or 2 at it. This is beyond world class adaptability to be so rusty and let your sheer talent alone put that car on the front row in 10 laps without looking at telemetry and making some setup changes next to Max who is at the absolute top of his game. (One can only imagine what Ric would have done with 3 practise sessions) I'm very surprised a huge Ric fan completely glossed over this absolutely monumental achievement and somehow think Ric needs to rediscover his speed? wow :o
Very concise arguments which make alot of sense. Its funny how Ricciardo is seen by people as not adaptable after one stint in one car philosophy at McLaren. A quite shallow and ill informed way to make an assessment of a driver especially one that has the runs on the board from many years driving various car classes previously.

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Mclarensenna wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 15:16
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 10:42
Mclarensenna wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 09:02


"We get it, you’re a huge Ricci fan and I share the sentiment."

<--- Are you really claiming you share the same sentiment of being a huge Ricci fan also? I am slightly confused by this statement. :?: :wtf:

"But fact is, he totally lost his way at Macca. "

<---- Redbull themselves said Ric picked up terrible driving habits that they never saw before on not just Ric but any racing driver. Ric himself never had these driving traits in the 2009, 2010 or 2013 rebull tests 2 years at Torro Rosso or the 5 years driving for Redbull. (thats 10 years of telemetry in many different cars, V8, V6, blown diffuser etc etc) The fact Redbull looked at the telemetry and clearly said these driving habits (picked up driving the Mclaren) had to be "completely unlearnt" and were a "terrible", and a "slow" way to drive a racecar shows clearly Ric did not lose his way at all but Mclaren did designing such a terrible car that needed such odd driving habits to drive it. I am slightly confused why a "huge Ricci fan" would completely ignore the redbulls telemetry statements on Rics driving style completely, but instead claim Ric has "1 dimensional driving style" :?

"He’s fast just not very adaptable"

<------- Ric was smashing lap record times in the 2009, 2010, and 2013 redbull tests. Not to mention the 2023 RBR silverstone test (rusty as as hadn't driven a f1 car since the year before even, and was quicker than perez after a few laps and would have been on the front row. (that's serious serious adaptability =D> ) Not to also mention the HRT, the Torro Rosso adaptability . Also the Renault beating the Hulk in his first year =D> something Sainz was not able to adapt to and do.

Then destroying Ocon 15/2 in qualifying and in race pace . Again Alonso never destroyed Ocon by these margins which suggests Ric adapted much better than Alonso even in that Renault when comparing both to Ocon. Ric proved he is 1 of the most adapatble drivers in 2009 (testing) , 2010 , 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 and the 2023 (testing) =D> . That is a pretty obvious fact. So i am slightly confused why a "huge Ricci fan" would say the complete opposite in relation to Rics adaptability over the years? A driver with a "1 dimensional driving style" "who was "not adaptable" would not have adapted to so many F1 cars over the years.

"He stacked up well initially against MV at RB but got resoundingly beaten in the last year with Red Bull. He’s good, just not a great imho"

<------ Ric in his 3rd year was ahead at the mid season break with 2 wins China and Monaco to his name. He also got the only 2 pole positions that year in redbull. Ric though had 8 retirements, 0 his fault that year. But yep lets call that Max "resoundingly beat him and Ric is not a great." Are statements like this really something a huge Ricci fan would say? I guess huge Ric fans come in all shapes and sizes as they say :)
I share the sentiment in that I really did rate him as a driver. But it’s fair to say his form at MCL was abysmal, you cannot put that all down to the car. That’s way to convenient an excuse when your teammate doesn’t like the car either but makes it work.
I sincerely hope he has rediscovered his prior speed but Yuki so far seems to have been on a par with him. I stand by my statement that hes probably a little one dimensional driving style wise. The great can drive around issues, the good can’t.

Yes, I’m still a Ricci fan and defended him for a long time when he was with us at Macca but it was the right call to part ways. But am a fan of him as a person and being “last of the late brakers”. We need him to do well in this sport, the guy is ace.
"The great can drive around issues, the good can’t."

<----- I am quite surprised a huge Ric fan would make such a statement. As this would mean Sainz is not good but "great" as he drove around the major Mclaren issues and beat Norris both years. Sainz the great in better handling cars like the Torro Rosso got walloped by Max, Ferrari (did ok but got fired) and Renault was sub par and got beaten by Hulk. Ric is the opposite. He smashed it and was a great in the Torro Rosso for 2 years, Smashed it 5 years in the redbull, and smashed it 2 years at Renault beating Hulk and smashing Ocon. But yes Ric did poorly in a terrible car like Mclaren.

So its not true to claim a driver is great because he can work around the major driving issues the Mclaren had as we have clear proof it does not make you a a great in the Sainz example.

"I sincerely hope he has rediscovered his prior speed but Yuki so far seems to have been on a par with him."

<----- Ric never lost his speed (in fast balanced cars).. Being rusty, as he never drove an F1 car since the year before, Ric In just 10 laps was already faster than Perez a guy driving that car for years. Do you know what level of speed and talent you need to achieve something of this sheer magnitude?

Even a great like Ham IMHO would have needed countless laps then come into the pits to gloss over the telemetry and speak to the engineers to see where he was losing speed to Max etc, make some setup changes then have another go or 2 at it. This is beyond world class adaptability to be so rusty and let your sheer talent alone put that car on the front row in 10 laps without looking at telemetry and making some setup changes next to Max who is at the absolute top of his game. (One can only imagine what Ric would have done with 3 practise sessions) I'm very surprised a huge Ric fan completely glossed over this absolutely monumental achievement and somehow think Ric needs to rediscover his speed? wow :o
Are you saying that as fan it’s impossible to have criticism? Some of you are a bit too stressed about what I think amounts to fair comment. It’s a fact he lost himself at McL. Majority of that was a difficult car but I’m also surprised he couldn’t make it work as highly as I rate him. I’d be super glad if he’s back to Ricci of old. But come on, we can at least acknowledge that his Macca time wasn’t his personal finest hour but I’m sure he tried his very best!

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Nice start from RB particularly Dan in Fp1 with P1. That wasn't on the bingo card! Ahead of both Maccas, Zak didn't look amused lol. Let's see if the pace continues to standout.

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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 15:42
Mclarensenna wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 15:16
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 10:42


I share the sentiment in that I really did rate him as a driver. But it’s fair to say his form at MCL was abysmal, you cannot put that all down to the car. That’s way to convenient an excuse when your teammate doesn’t like the car either but makes it work.
I sincerely hope he has rediscovered his prior speed but Yuki so far seems to have been on a par with him. I stand by my statement that hes probably a little one dimensional driving style wise. The great can drive around issues, the good can’t.

Yes, I’m still a Ricci fan and defended him for a long time when he was with us at Macca but it was the right call to part ways. But am a fan of him as a person and being “last of the late brakers”. We need him to do well in this sport, the guy is ace.
"The great can drive around issues, the good can’t."

<----- I am quite surprised a huge Ric fan would make such a statement. As this would mean Sainz is not good but "great" as he drove around the major Mclaren issues and beat Norris both years. Sainz the great in better handling cars like the Torro Rosso got walloped by Max, Ferrari (did ok but got fired) and Renault was sub par and got beaten by Hulk. Ric is the opposite. He smashed it and was a great in the Torro Rosso for 2 years, Smashed it 5 years in the redbull, and smashed it 2 years at Renault beating Hulk and smashing Ocon. But yes Ric did poorly in a terrible car like Mclaren.

So its not true to claim a driver is great because he can work around the major driving issues the Mclaren had as we have clear proof it does not make you a a great in the Sainz example.

"I sincerely hope he has rediscovered his prior speed but Yuki so far seems to have been on a par with him."

<----- Ric never lost his speed (in fast balanced cars).. Being rusty, as he never drove an F1 car since the year before, Ric In just 10 laps was already faster than Perez a guy driving that car for years. Do you know what level of speed and talent you need to achieve something of this sheer magnitude?

Even a great like Ham IMHO would have needed countless laps then come into the pits to gloss over the telemetry and speak to the engineers to see where he was losing speed to Max etc, make some setup changes then have another go or 2 at it. This is beyond world class adaptability to be so rusty and let your sheer talent alone put that car on the front row in 10 laps without looking at telemetry and making some setup changes next to Max who is at the absolute top of his game. (One can only imagine what Ric would have done with 3 practise sessions) I'm very surprised a huge Ric fan completely glossed over this absolutely monumental achievement and somehow think Ric needs to rediscover his speed? wow :o
Are you saying that as fan it’s impossible to have criticism? Some of you are a bit too stressed about what I think amounts to fair comment. It’s a fact he lost himself at McL. Majority of that was a difficult car but I’m also surprised he couldn’t make it work as highly as I rate him. . But come on, we can at least acknowledge that his Macca time wasn’t his personal finest hour but I’m sure he tried his very best!
" I’d be super glad if he’s back to Ricci of old" <------ Why as a "huge Ric fan" do you keep insisting he is not back to the RIcci of old after seeing the results of that incredible redbull silverstone test in 2023 as explained in my previous reply?
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Good to start with a 1st place, but given the tire advantage, the lap times actually weren't too impressive. So far it doesn't look like the team was hiding pace at the tests, as some assumed.

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FP2 looked like a more representative session, although Daniel was still 3-4/10ths faster than Yuki.

Hopefully regular entry into Q3 is possible. Things look really tight in the midfield tho.
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Yeah was nice to dream for a bit lol, but hopefully they can make Q3. Yep very tight it seems!

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runningmanz wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 01:27
Yeah was nice to dream for a bit lol, but hopefully they can make Q3. Yep very tight it seems!
Not wrong, I had my hopes up that RB would be in the top 4 or 5 until I watched the FP2 highlights! #-o
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