2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

[morefirejules08]

Isn't why he lost the race? Unless you want to look the other way for a convenient scapegoat.

Well, seeing as the vast majority of people can now accept that Masi’s rule breaking handed max the win it’s clear you’re being
blind to the fact he couldn’t pit without losing track position
To suit your narrative that it was Mercedes fault that Hamilton lost and not Masi’s.

I never said he wouldn't have lost track position, but Mercedes were blind for the fact that, if the racing started, Lewis was a sitting duck. They had all the time in the world prior to incident to think about a plausible situation, but they chose to gamble on race not starting, while Martin Brundle right away said they may have one or two lap dash. If Masi would have let all the cars to unlap on lap 56 when the track was clear, instead of waiting until 57, what would you have blamed?

How could Mercedes anticipate Masi doing something which no race director has done in the history of motorsport?
Perhaps Mercedes anticipated masi would restart but without allowing the lapped cars through because that is legal and has happened in previous races. Perhaps Mercedes summonsed using past experience and logic that Lewis would still win as max would have to pass 5 cars?
The track, as has been pointed out wasn’t clear of Marshalls on lap 56.
So again you are being blind to at least one fact while using another to push your narrative.

[Wouter]

Well, seeing as the vast majority of people can now accept that Masi’s rule breaking handed max the win it’s clear you’re being
blind to the fact he couldn’t pit without losing track position
To suit your narrative that it was Mercedes fault that Hamilton lost and not Masi’s.

I never said he wouldn't have lost track position, but Mercedes were blind for the fact that, if the racing started, Lewis was a sitting duck. They had all the time in the world prior to incident to think about a plausible situation, but they chose to gamble on race not starting, while Martin Brundle right away said they may have one or two lap dash. If Masi would have let all the cars to unlap on lap 56 when the track was clear, instead of waiting until 57, what would you have blamed?

How could Mercedes anticipate Masi doing something which no race director has done in the history of motorsport?
Perhaps Mercedes anticipated masi would restart but without allowing the lapped cars through because that is legal and has happened in previous races. Perhaps Mercedes summonsed using past experience and logic that Lewis would still win as max would have to pass 5 cars?
The track, as has been pointed out wasn’t clear of Marshalls on lap 56.
So again you are being blind to at least one fact while using another to push your narrative.

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Well, Lewis was not amused during the SC:

Lewis:" We should have boxed didn't we?'
Bono:" Copy Lewis, but we should have lost track position... We Stay out.."
Lewis:" You''re sure it's the right decision?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, we think this wil be a safetycar ending"
Lewis:" Did Max get new tires?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, Max pitted for new softs, we had lost track position if we pitted."
Lewis:" We should have pitted man...."
Bono:" Negative Lewis, we would have lost track position..."

[Stu]

I never said he wouldn't have lost track position, but Mercedes were blind for the fact that, if the racing started, Lewis was a sitting duck. They had all the time in the world prior to incident to think about a plausible situation, but they chose to gamble on race not starting, while Martin Brundle right away said they may have one or two lap dash. If Masi would have let all the cars to unlap on lap 56 when the track was clear, instead of waiting until 57, what would you have blamed?

How could Mercedes anticipate Masi doing something which no race director has done in the history of motorsport?
Perhaps Mercedes anticipated masi would restart but without allowing the lapped cars through because that is legal and has happened in previous races. Perhaps Mercedes summonsed using past experience and logic that Lewis would still win as max would have to pass 5 cars?
The track, as has been pointed out wasn’t clear of Marshalls on lap 56.
So again you are being blind to at least one fact while using another to push your narrative.

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Well, Lewis was not amused during the SC:

Lewis:" We should have boxed didn't we?'
Bono:" Copy Lewis, but we should have lost track position... We Stay out.."
Lewis:" You''re sure it's the right decision?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, we think this wil be a safetycar ending"
Lewis:" Did Max get new tires?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, Max pitted for new softs, we had lost track position if we pitted."
Lewis:" We should have pitted man...."
Bono:" Negative Lewis, we would have lost track position..."

That’s the thing, isn’t it!?
There is an alternate reality where LH pitted (he needed fresh tyres), which would have resulted in MV not pitting for tyres (and taking the track position). Masi then makes exactly the same call….
….and you have an 8-time WDC.

However, the last 3-months would have had exactly the same arguments (it was definitely not a civilised discussion), but those for/against would be flipped.

[morefirejules08]

How could Mercedes anticipate Masi doing something which no race director has done in the history of motorsport?
Perhaps Mercedes anticipated masi would restart but without allowing the lapped cars through because that is legal and has happened in previous races. Perhaps Mercedes summonsed using past experience and logic that Lewis would still win as max would have to pass 5 cars?
The track, as has been pointed out wasn’t clear of Marshalls on lap 56.
So again you are being blind to at least one fact while using another to push your narrative.

.
Well, Lewis was not amused during the SC:

Lewis:" We should have boxed didn't we?'
Bono:" Copy Lewis, but we should have lost track position... We Stay out.."
Lewis:" You''re sure it's the right decision?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, we think this wil be a safetycar ending"
Lewis:" Did Max get new tires?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, Max pitted for new softs, we had lost track position if we pitted."
Lewis:" We should have pitted man...."
Bono:" Negative Lewis, we would have lost track position..."

That’s the thing, isn’t it!?
There is an alternate reality where LH pitted (he needed fresh tyres), which would have resulted in MV not pitting for tyres (and taking the track position). Masi then makes exactly the same call….
….and you have an 8-time WDC.

However, the last 3-months would have had exactly the same arguments (it was definitely not a civilised discussion), but those for/against would be flipped.

There is no guarantee Hamilton would have overtaken VES though, especially when you consider how he struggled against Perez and he would have likely been tentative considering past incidents with max.

[diffuser]

Masi isn't part of the show and shouldn't be making calls. Nor should he be reinterpring regulations as they've never done be before, under a huge amount of pressure, at a critical point in the race and under time constraints and while managing a few other things at the same.

Those things should just be automatic.

[morefirejules08]

I never said he wouldn't have lost track position, but Mercedes were blind for the fact that, if the racing started, Lewis was a sitting duck. They had all the time in the world prior to incident to think about a plausible situation, but they chose to gamble on race not starting, while Martin Brundle right away said they may have one or two lap dash. If Masi would have let all the cars to unlap on lap 56 when the track was clear, instead of waiting until 57, what would you have blamed?

How could Mercedes anticipate Masi doing something which no race director has done in the history of motorsport?
Perhaps Mercedes anticipated masi would restart but without allowing the lapped cars through because that is legal and has happened in previous races. Perhaps Mercedes summonsed using past experience and logic that Lewis would still win as max would have to pass 5 cars?
The track, as has been pointed out wasn’t clear of Marshalls on lap 56.
So again you are being blind to at least one fact while using another to push your narrative.

.
Well, Lewis was not amused during the SC:

Lewis:" We should have boxed didn't we?'
Bono:" Copy Lewis, but we should have lost track position... We Stay out.."
Lewis:" You''re sure it's the right decision?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, we think this wil be a safetycar ending"
Lewis:" Did Max get new tires?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, Max pitted for new softs, we had lost track position if we pitted."
Lewis:" We should have pitted man...."
Bono:" Negative Lewis, we would have lost track position..."

I’m struggling see the relevance of Hamilton questioning the team’s strategy has to how the race unfolded. I mean Hamilton questioned not pitting under VSC and up until Latifi’s accident that looked like being the correct strategy.
If Masi hadn’t gone rogue then Mercedes decision not to pit would have been the right one.

[NathanOlder]

How could Mercedes anticipate Masi doing something which no race director has done in the history of motorsport?
Perhaps Mercedes anticipated masi would restart but without allowing the lapped cars through because that is legal and has happened in previous races. Perhaps Mercedes summonsed using past experience and logic that Lewis would still win as max would have to pass 5 cars?
The track, as has been pointed out wasn’t clear of Marshalls on lap 56.
So again you are being blind to at least one fact while using another to push your narrative.

.
Well, Lewis was not amused during the SC:

Lewis:" We should have boxed didn't we?'
Bono:" Copy Lewis, but we should have lost track position... We Stay out.."
Lewis:" You''re sure it's the right decision?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, we think this wil be a safetycar ending"
Lewis:" Did Max get new tires?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, Max pitted for new softs, we had lost track position if we pitted."
Lewis:" We should have pitted man...."
Bono:" Negative Lewis, we would have lost track position..."

I’m struggling see the relevance of Hamilton questioning the team’s strategy has to how the race unfolded. I mean Hamilton questioned not pitting under VSC and up until Latifi’s accident that looked like being the correct strategy.
If Masi hadn’t gone rogue then Mercedes decision not to pit would have been the right one.

Exactly,it was the right call. I wish the RedBull fans would stop trying to make it seem like a Mercedes mistake rather than a Masi match fix.

Then again, the only reason they are doing it is to try and give Maxs title some credibility, but unfortunately Masi took most of it away with the way the championship finished as people remember the ending more than what happens in the middle.

[Fer.Fan]

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Well, Lewis was not amused during the SC:

Lewis:" We should have boxed didn't we?'
Bono:" Copy Lewis, but we should have lost track position... We Stay out.."
Lewis:" You''re sure it's the right decision?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, we think this wil be a safetycar ending"
Lewis:" Did Max get new tires?"
Bono:" Copy Lewis, Max pitted for new softs, we had lost track position if we pitted."
Lewis:" We should have pitted man...."
Bono:" Negative Lewis, we would have lost track position..."

I’m struggling see the relevance of Hamilton questioning the team’s strategy has to how the race unfolded. I mean Hamilton questioned not pitting under VSC and up until Latifi’s accident that looked like being the correct strategy.
If Masi hadn’t gone rogue then Mercedes decision not to pit would have been the right one.

Exactly,it was the right call. I wish the RedBull fans would stop trying to make it seem like a Mercedes mistake rather than a Masi match fix.

Then again, the only reason they are doing it is to try and give Maxs title some credibility, but unfortunately Masi took most of it away with the way the championship finished as people remember the ending more than what happens in the middle.

Masi did a good job. Don’t blame him for lost title.
BLAME tyre strategy of Merc. They had chanse twice during the race to change tyres, VSC and SC and did’t. That why they lost.
RedBull was far better starategy wise. BLAME MERCEDES TEAM and their mistakes.

[Wouter]

Exactly,it was the right call. I wish the RedBull fans would stop trying to make it seem like a Mercedes mistake
rather than a Masi match fix.

You won't believe it but there are more fans than only RB fans in this world.

Then again, the only reason they are doing it is to try and give Maxs title some credibility,
but unfortunately Masi took most of it away with the way the championship finished as people remember the ending more than what happens in the middle.

[NathanOlder]

I’m struggling see the relevance of Hamilton questioning the team’s strategy has to how the race unfolded. I mean Hamilton questioned not pitting under VSC and up until Latifi’s accident that looked like being the correct strategy.
If Masi hadn’t gone rogue then Mercedes decision not to pit would have been the right one.

Exactly,it was the right call. I wish the RedBull fans would stop trying to make it seem like a Mercedes mistake rather than a Masi match fix.

Then again, the only reason they are doing it is to try and give Maxs title some credibility, but unfortunately Masi took most of it away with the way the championship finished as people remember the ending more than what happens in the middle.

Masi did a good job. Don’t blame him for lost title.
BLAME tyre strategy of Merc. They had chanse twice during the race to change tyres, VSC and SC and did’t. That why they lost.
RedBull was far better starategy wise. BLAME MERCEDES TEAM and their mistakes.

People doing good jobs don't end up removed from their position.

[the EDGE]

Anyone like to make a wager how long the smee argument with the same points made by the same people can go on for...?

Should we call call Guinness WRB,.. could we be close to breaking a world record here?

[NathanOlder]

Anyone like to make a wager how long the smee argument with the same points made by the same people can go on for...?

Should we call call Guinness WRB,.. could we be close to breaking a world record here?

Well the Masi sacking has given one side of the argument a very strong boost.

[morefirejules08]

I’m struggling see the relevance of Hamilton questioning the team’s strategy has to how the race unfolded. I mean Hamilton questioned not pitting under VSC and up until Latifi’s accident that looked like being the correct strategy.
If Masi hadn’t gone rogue then Mercedes decision not to pit would have been the right one.

Exactly,it was the right call. I wish the RedBull fans would stop trying to make it seem like a Mercedes mistake rather than a Masi match fix.

Then again, the only reason they are doing it is to try and give Maxs title some credibility, but unfortunately Masi took most of it away with the way the championship finished as people remember the ending more than what happens in the middle.

Masi did a good job. Don’t blame him for lost title.
BLAME tyre strategy of Merc. They had chanse twice during the race to change tyres, VSC and SC and did’t. That why they lost.
RedBull was far better starategy wise. BLAME MERCEDES TEAM and their mistakes.

It has been explained more than enough times why Mercedes couldn’t pit Hamilton under the SC so I’m not going to regurgitate that anymore.
I don’t agree that Redbull had the better strategy because up until Latifi crashed and Masi went rogue Mercedes strategy would have resulted in Hamilton winning the race.
It took an extraordinary, impossible to predict interpretation of the rules by Masi for Mercedes strategy not to be the correct one and I find it difficult to lay blame at their door for that.

[morefirejules08]

Anyone like to make a wager how long the smee argument with the same points made by the same people can go on for...?

Should we call call Guinness WRB,.. could we be close to breaking a world record here?

What date is the Bahrain Grand Prix?

[diffuser]

Anyone like to make a wager how long the smee argument with the same points made by the same people can go on for...?

Should we call call Guinness WRB,.. could we be close to breaking a world record here?

Lol