2015 Austrian Grand Prix - 19-21 June

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mikeerfol wrote:Hoping for some rain and the SC to appear on Lap 2.. :lol:
I'm pretty sure I said somewhere it's going to rain come race day an hour before the race and we would be racing on a drying track but what do I know.
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Spoutnik wrote:
ismail1991 wrote:
Sevach wrote:Thanks for the info on Rosberg's lap.

BTW Hulkenberg is having an unbelievable high these last 10 days, incredible 5th place.
Maybe putting himself in contention for that Raikkonen seat.
I like Raikkonnen a lot but he is not on it these days. Hulkenberg was the one who deserved that seat in the first place. I hope Ferrari can make its wrong next year by taking Hulkenberg
There is Bottas available also.
Right now Massa is looking just as good as bottas and better in Qualy when Massa doesn't have any issues. So Botta wouldn't be an improvement over Massa.
The next seat should go to: Hulk, Grosjean, Vergne, or even Perez. A lot of good young and hungry choices out there.

Not sure if anyone heard of this accident, but it's pretty tragic:

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/20/3-de ... -gp-event/
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Andres125sx wrote: Just to clarify, Ricciardo penalty is 5 seconds applied to his first pit-stop, mechanics must wait 5 seconds before working on the car, while Button´s 10seconds are a 10 seconds stop&go, no tyre change allowed
So just reading driver comments etc and Ricciardo has said he is running a much lower downforce setup than Kyvat to give himself a chance to overtake during the race - should make things interesting.
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@ Ringo - Yeah I read about that, pretty bad. Back to the main story, you would think hulk would have to get the nod, it's well overdue IMO. I think he is ahead of grosjean,vergne and Perez IMO. It makes me think of bianchi, surely he would have got the seat if that horrendous accident didnt happen.
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djos wrote:
Andres125sx wrote: Just to clarify, Ricciardo penalty is 5 seconds applied to his first pit-stop, mechanics must wait 5 seconds before working on the car, while Button´s 10seconds are a 10 seconds stop&go, no tyre change allowed
So just reading driver comments etc and Ricciardo has said he is running a much lower downforce setup than Kyvat to give himself a chance to overtake during the race - should make things interesting.
These penalties are become more than a joke. Soon drivers who know there occurring the penalty and can't qualify in the top wont even bother going out.
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We all were asking for these penalties to pressure the engine makers. We just have to own up to them.
4 engines a year is a joke. These aren't push rod chevy v8s, some leniency should be there. We should have stayed at 8 per year.
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ringo wrote:We all were asking for these penalties to pressure the engine makers. We just have to own up to them.
4 engines a year is a joke. These aren't push rod chevy v8s, some leniency should be there. We should have stayed at 8 per year.
The best option would be an IndyCar style engine makers championship and take points and prize money from them instead of penalizing the drivers!

I think that plus a chassis constructors championship would make a lot of sense.
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evered7 wrote:
ME4ME wrote:He needed to refuel before his second run. Therefor he had to go into the garage.
Not possible to do it in the pit box these days? I know refueling is banned but a quick turn-around would have been better.
Either way, they didn't need to wait so long to send him out for the first run - they sat in the garage for a long time in q2 and 3 whilst Mercedes did two fliers on the first run.

Maybe they thought they would run out of grip after one flier - and it's interesting that Mercedes have done more laps on their race set from q2 - but seems unusual that the Ferrari would be getting tyres up to optimal temp quicker than the merc.

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ME4ME wrote:He needed to refuel before his second run. Therefor he had to go into the garage.
Even if this is true it was a stupid decision since they should have known that running a two lap run with the full attack on the second run was the better choice (For Ferrari probably even the third lap might be quickest ...).
So, indeed strange. Maybe they were afraid of ending up on Pole?! :mrgreen:

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djos wrote:
ringo wrote:We all were asking for these penalties to pressure the engine makers. We just have to own up to them.
4 engines a year is a joke. These aren't push rod chevy v8s, some leniency should be there. We should have stayed at 8 per year.
The best option would be an IndyCar style engine makers championship and take points and prize money from them instead of penalizing the drivers!I think that plus a chassis constructors championship would make a lot of sense.
So if a driver is leading the race and engine fails at the last lap a driver should keep his win and get zero constructors points? F1 is a sport when cars and drivers are very much connected, you can't separate it, rules are the same for everyone and reliability is a competitive advantage. Honda of course should have 5 engines in their first season. Why is four engines a joke, just because numbers in the past used to be bigger, any technical justification, why eight and not seven or fifteen? Reliability used to be much worse in the past and focus on it has been good for racing.

I don't remember anyone caring about it when Lotus got engine penalties last season, speaking of: Bottas couldn't finish his Q3 lap because of yellow flags and I don't see Whiting considering extending Q. I guess Hamilton Monaco and a "big" discussion about how it's unfair was a one off, weird.

They say it's a one stopper so unless a bad start, pitstop or rain happens Mercedes driver is winning and Vettel says that they were "just too quick" afterwards =P~ . Nicely paid, zero pressure gig.

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I've been thinking that these kinds of penalties, + those for things like unsafe pit releases where the driver did nothing wrong, should just result in constructors penalty points.

What would be the downside to this? Martin Brundle mentioned it would have to be a percentage of your points to disincentivise the bigger teams from just swallowing those penalties, but that doesn't work for me because what if you have zero points? Or only one, so you end up with a team who has 0.8 points (and then they get another penalty!).

Something like 10 constructors penalty points seems about the right level to me - not even Mercedes want to be dropping ten points here and there, and I'd wager that it makes more sense for mclaren to be in minus numbers and be able to race than be trundling around at the back.

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Points should extend all the way to last place, which would also solve your problem.

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After qualy, Mercedes opened Hamilton's gearbox and changed the six gear. Do you think that gearbox will resist for other 5 races?

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f1316 wrote:Mercedes don't know why Ferrari didn't do a second flying lap and neither do I.
The only reason I can think about is Ferrari were keeping their tires for the race

That makes sense if you see Seb only did a final run both on Q2 and Q3, when everybody else did the usual two attempts.

Probably they put qualy on a secondary priority and are focused on keeping tyres as good as posible to take advantage for the race

At least it sounds reasonable to me :P

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mclaren_mircea wrote:After qualy, Mercedes opened Hamilton's gearbox and changed the six gear. Do you think that gearbox will resist for other 5 races?
What's your source for this?