Monaco GP 2010 - Monte Carlo

[Mysticf1]

In case anyone forgot, yet another domination at the hands of Webber and yet another domination of Vettel in the same car.

=D> =D>

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

I get the impression some people here would bend over for MS...

Oh well. Well done by the Ferrari crew regardless to get FA up 17 positions, if not 18.

Otherwise not a terribly exciting race.

Jersey, bend over for schumi? Are you a bit bitter?

Seems you are a Ferrari fan whos no1 just got done over on the last corner.

Nah. I don't particularly subscribe to one team or another, or one driver or another. Everyone jumps from team to team anyway these days.

I just think it's comical people are going on about the mastery of MS when he's finished 6th... and is well down in the season points anyway.

I did get a kick out of whoever it was commenting about the teams being disinterested in going to 18" wheels. Michelin's exclusivity ploy not workin out...

Well he beat his team mate, which is the best measure you can get. At a track that is more driver orientated. Not bad for a 41 year old hey? Im no great fan, but he provided the best entertainment in a dour race.

[siskue2005]

skysports just showed the last lap on Schumy's onboard
And there was clearly GREEN LIGHT FLASHING on top at the last corner and the MS only made the move after the SC line...which they paused and showed us
So no need to worry...it was a legit move =D> =D>

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Yea yea, keep living in hope brother.
Quoting 2009 regs will do you or Alonso no good. He got done by Schumi simple as that.

..Really? Go look at the 2010 sporting regulations before you say im using the 2009 verion..brother.

You can find it on page 24 and 25.

Let me be nice and even give you a link. Of course you can choose to ignore it if you want.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... 2-2010.pdf

Here it is:
"overtaking is forbidden until the cars reach the first safety car line after the safety car has returned to the pits"

pretty straightforward

[WhiteBlue]

This is the moment Alonso crosses the safety car line. Schumi was clearly behind the line. So his pass was legal.

















Schumi crosses the finish line ahead of Alonso.

[djos]

For those who weren't paying attention, Webbo Wins and now leads the WDC!!!!

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Its indisputable.

There is no case to answer. The subject is now dead.

Well done Schumi, Mercedes first overtake on a Ferrari is done by MS.
Very fitting

[piast9]

Yep, overtaking is allowed after SC line but except from the situation

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

Regulations are inconsistent. How the driver is supposed to know if the safety car pulled in because stewards concluded that the track is clear or if it pulled in because of the regulation 40.13 describing the race finished under the SC?

[djos]

Its indisputable.

There is no case to answer. The subject is now dead.

Well done Schumi, Mercedes first overtake on a Ferrari is done by MS.
Very fitting

Well said, 2010 rules say once over the Safety Car line (shown below) in on for young and old alike, Shumi's move is legit (it used to be the start finish line but that is no longer the rule).

[ISLAMATRON]

How/when did SV get pass Bob?

Edit:Never mind
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83668

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

If the lights go off on the safety car, it means the race will be restarted.
The white line then becomes "race start".

Had the saefty car not switched its lights off, it would have been deemed illegal.

However the lights were clearly off.

All the rest was above board.

[djos]

Yep, overtaking is allowed after SC line but except from the situation

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

Regulations are inconsistent. How the driver is supposed to know if the safety car pulled in because stewards concluded that the track is clear or if it pulled in because of the regulation 40.13 describing the race finished under the SC?

The difference here tho is that that rule applies to the Race finishing under safety car, in this case it didn't finish under safety car as the track had been cleared and the stewards had deemed it a restart as the lights where out on the safety car before it pulled in.

[djos]

How/when did SV get pass Bob?

1st corner of the race, he got a better start from the clean side of the track.

[MattF1]

Yep, overtaking is allowed after SC line but except from the situation

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

Regulations are inconsistent. How the driver is supposed to know if the safety car pulled in because stewards concluded that the track is clear or if it pulled in because of the regulation 40.13 describing the race finished under the SC?

This is exactly my feeling, if MS is punished it was right as it was a SC finish. If he is let off then this is right because the track was decleared clear.

We should wait for the steward decision. This will be the correct answer.

[The FOZ]

From the F1 website:

When the safety car is ready to leave the circuit it extinguishes its orange lights, indicating to the drivers that it will peel off into the pits at the end of the current lap. The drivers then continue in formation until they cross the first safety-car line where green lights will indicate that they are free to race again.

The SC turned off it's lights, and green lights came on as Kubica was rounding the corner. Pass occurred after the white line, it SHOULD be legit.



Interesting bit from Joe Saward:

It is worth noting that according to the timing system Fernando Alonso crossed the line at the end of the first Safety Car ahead of Karun Chandhok. Race Control either missed this, or chose to ignore it.