2024 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 18-20

[napoleon1981]

Norris should have cleared 5s from Verstapen! Just because

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Not really, better car yes but worse driver. Max beats them all pure talent.

The pure talent has gone 9 races winless in car fast enough to win and can only stay ahead by doing dodgy maneuvers and pushing everyone off the track! Wow what a proud moment to be a Verstapen fan…

If that was the 2008 FIA-Hamilton relationship…Verstapen would have been banned for life!

Better than qualifying a car good enough to win races this year at p19, then beaching it like a beginner. Infinitely better.

[RonMexico]

Just one gp ago Toto was flirting with Max, now this

Deflection from his own team's disastrous weekend. Time for another new TD Toto

[lh13]

Button just said on Sky what everyone saying already...Max was ahead because he sent it...But i guess Jenson doesnt kno what hes talking about either.

Max was still on the curb, so just a track limit warning, no rules broken / no penalty.

Yes and no because a track limit warning when you are alone in that corner is one thing and another thing when another car is alongside you and you going off track after you divebomb back taking them with you outside of said limits.

I don't think 'alone' is defined anywhere in the rules. Max was ahead at the apex, so he got the right to the corner, and didn't went 'straight off', as is common with divebombs, did not even lock up, and stayed in control of the car, so only the track limit warning should apply in this case.

[jknights]

So which steward is Toto talking about?

All of them, they are all racing drivers who have been sponsored or supported or driven by a team.

This is a very difficult situation as there is always bias (real or perceived) as a good steward would have experience of the spirt but the sport is so expensive there is always a past association. Even people like Mark Webber, David Coulthard, Damon Hill, Jenson Button have a foot still in their home camp.
We need too either allow the system to go wild (bumper cars), have arbitars, or apply AI or some other algorithm to make the decisions.

[jknights]

So which steward is Toto talking about?

Derek Warwick

So he has history of being lenient with Max?

Might be a factor...... I didnt say it.

[jknights]

So which steward is Toto talking about?

Derek Warwick

So he has history of being lenient with Max?

Might be a factor...... I didnt say it.

[morefirejules08]

So which steward is Toto talking about?

All of them, they are all racing drivers who have been sponsored or supported or driven by a team.

This is a very difficult situation as there is always bias (real or perceived) as a good steward would have experience of the spirt but the sport is so expensive there is always a past association. Even people like Mark Webber, David Coulthard, Damon Hill, Jenson Button have a foot still in their home camp.
We need too either allow the system to go wild (bumper cars), have arbitars, or apply AI or some other algorithm to make the decisions.

Or have professional stewards who have no previous ties to any of the teams. If others sports can do it then so should motorsport/F1

[jknights]

Slipery snake Christian Horner weaving his snake magic in the Sky F1 post race interview.
Lordy the man must have such a forked tongue that he would confuse a snake!!

[jknights]

So which steward is Toto talking about?

All of them, they are all racing drivers who have been sponsored or supported or driven by a team.

This is a very difficult situation as there is always bias (real or perceived) as a good steward would have experience of the spirt but the sport is so expensive there is always a past association. Even people like Mark Webber, David Coulthard, Damon Hill, Jenson Button have a foot still in their home camp.
We need too either allow the system to go wild (bumper cars), have arbitars, or apply AI or some other algorithm to make the decisions.

Or have professional stewards who have no previous ties to any of the teams. If others sports can do it then so should motorsport/F1

Yes I so agree. We need FIA to cough up some of their profits to fund this.

[organic]

The stewarding was strange this weekend

[Szabi1112]

The stewarding was strange this weekend

you mean this years (2021-2024?)

[jknights]

So much contention on the stewards decisions that I forgot to say congratulations to Ferrari and Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz on great drives.

[chrisc90]

[pantherxxx]

Verstappen knew exactly that this was a trap that Norris would walk into. He did it very cleverly. The fact that McLaren didn't ask Norris to change places was probably because they didn't trust him to overtake Verstappen. But earlier in the race there had been several such 'overtakes' in the same place and everyone got 5 seconds for it. They still believed in a miracle rather than Norris.

[Tvetovnato]

My initial thoughts on the Max/Lando 'overtake' was very similar to Max/Lewis in Brazil 2021.
Watched the replay and seen Max was late on the brakes to allow his car to be ahead at the apex. That gives him the corner via the rulebook for overtaking cars. It allows him to run out wide and effectively 'force' the overtaking car off track due to being ahead at the apex.

What it does it give a 'grey area' of the rules when the 'defending car' owns the corner. From what ive seen, Max went off himself. But because Lando wasnt ahead at the apex, its still Max's corner by the rules.

Be interesting to see some replays and the stewards documents for it to show reasoning.

Yeah, and that ahead at the apex ruling is what ruins racing. The rule works like this (for someone deciding to take full advantage of it):

I am on the inside defending. I see that I am about to lose my position, so my last resort will be to send the car unreasonably fast towards the apex, because I know that I will have the right to the corner if I am just slightly ahead at the apex. I know that what happens right AFTER the apex has no bearing at all. It doesn’t matter if I am leaving the track afterwards and taking the attacking car with me, I JUST. NEED. THAT. APEX and all is good, I can then do what I want.

How anyone can consider that fair racing is beyond me. How they cannot consider the attacking car (if it is slightly ahead/fully alongside at corner entry) to have the right to track space at the exit of the corner is insanity. But that is exactly how they rule these situations now. There was backlash by everyone after Brazil in 2021 for this type of move, and yet it continues. Absolutely bizarre.