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ALO was in the factory/simulator today, that normally means that we will (finally) see some upgrades.

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-wkst- wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 14:57
ALO was in the factory/simulator today, that normally means that we will (finally) see some upgrades.
I hope you.re right!

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CHT wrote:
14 Oct 2023, 07:16
Rumour is Geely may acquire Aston Martin and have Zhou as team mate for Alonso in 2025.
Will that not clash with Honda?
A lion must kill its prey.

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AR3-GP wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 18:23
CHT wrote:
14 Oct 2023, 07:16
Rumour is Geely may acquire Aston Martin and have Zhou as team mate for Alonso in 2025.
Will that not clash with Honda?
Note that AMR is not AM. If Geely buy 100% of Aston Martin, they'll still own 0% of AMR. AM is just a title sponsor and pays AMR for that privilege.

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diffuser wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 21:47
AR3-GP wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 18:23
CHT wrote:
14 Oct 2023, 07:16
Rumour is Geely may acquire Aston Martin and have Zhou as team mate for Alonso in 2025.
Will that not clash with Honda?
Note that AMR is not AM. If Geely buy 100% of Aston Martin, they'll still own 0% of AMR. AM is just a title sponsor and pays AMR for that privilege.
Oh okay, I was confused by the wording of the original post.
A lion must kill its prey.

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All these rumours started when Stroll sold 7% of his 28% stake in AM. Then turned around and signed a deal with Honda for PUs starting in 2026 the very next day. It could just as easily be that he's divesting himself of AM cause they're gonna be calling the team Stroll Racing in 2026 with Honda as the title sponsor(Honda | Aramco).

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interesting read Stroll explains the difficulties: "Now the car is too nervous" https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-st ... /10533414/

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diffuser wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 18:14
-wkst- wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 14:57
ALO was in the factory/simulator today, that normally means that we will (finally) see some upgrades.
I hope you.re right!
We know something about the upgrades? I mean which part of the car?

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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 22:51
diffuser wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 18:14
-wkst- wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 14:57
ALO was in the factory/simulator today, that normally means that we will (finally) see some upgrades.
I hope you.re right!
We know something about the upgrades? I mean which part of the car?
Don't think anything has been said about it, at least publicly. There's hearsay but nothing confirmed.

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diffuser wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 22:16
interesting read Stroll explains the difficulties: "Now the car is too nervous" https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-st ... /10533414/
Updates also confirmed by Team Principal Mike Krack, although in reality he tried to give a more cautious view on the issue related to driving style: “I think we have to prove it first. The fact is that he has lost a bit of competitiveness and this is something we need to understand. We have suspicions and indications and I think Lance is referring to this, but then we have to make the appropriate changes and verify that, if this is confirmed, if this aspect is improved, he will improve too."

Krack is walking on eggshells as usual he 'thinks' Lance is referring to nervousness. IE no data backs this up and they are searching for any evidence. I wonder if they asked Alonso if he was really struggling with a twitchy car enough to only to outpoint his team mate 183 points to 47 ?

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AR3-GP wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 18:23
CHT wrote:
14 Oct 2023, 07:16
Rumour is Geely may acquire Aston Martin and have Zhou as team mate for Alonso in 2025.
Will that not clash with Honda?
Geely is actively seeking other manufacturer partnerships, Honda cars are in trouble due to slow EV take up. A join up via F1 would make sense if they partner in car manufacturing.

Then going forward it's quite possible Geely buy Honda cars..

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Geely is better of putting up Lotus stickers on the Alphatauri than dealing with Stroll F1

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multisync wrote:
17 Oct 2023, 09:05
AR3-GP wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 18:23
CHT wrote:
14 Oct 2023, 07:16
Rumour is Geely may acquire Aston Martin and have Zhou as team mate for Alonso in 2025.
Will that not clash with Honda?
Geely is actively seeking other manufacturer partnerships, Honda cars are in trouble due to slow EV take up. A join up via F1 would make sense if they partner in car manufacturing.

Then going forward it's quite possible Geely buy Honda cars..
If you owned 100% of AM, sold it, and spent all that Money to buy shares of Honda. You'd be lucky to end up with 5% of Honda's shares. Such is the size difference in the 2 companies. Geely only owns in the 20% range of AM.

Quick look on the NYSE and I can see Honda stock is up 25% for the year. This isn't growth looks more like covid recovery. I'm no expert but this doesn't look like they're struggling.

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diffuser wrote:
17 Oct 2023, 12:19
multisync wrote:
17 Oct 2023, 09:05
AR3-GP wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 18:23


Will that not clash with Honda?
Geely is actively seeking other manufacturer partnerships, Honda cars are in trouble due to slow EV take up. A join up via F1 would make sense if they partner in car manufacturing.

Then going forward it's quite possible Geely buy Honda cars..
If you owned 100% of AM, sold it, and spent all that Money to buy shares of Honda. You'd be lucky to end up with 5% of Honda's shares. Such is the size difference in the 2 companies. Geely only owns in the 20% range of AM.

Quick look on the NYSE and I can see Honda stock is up 25% for the year. This isn't growth looks more like covid recovery. I'm no expert but this doesn't look like they're struggling.
Not to mention Honda continues to be the largest Engine manufacturer in the world (Cars, boats, plane, lawnmower, bikes, mopeds, you name it)
Halo not as bad as we thought

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Krack seems to have given up on 4th place.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/n ... 2377/