2013 Hungarian GP - Hungaroring

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GrizzleBoy wrote: Preeeetty sure Rosberg turned in on Massa on lap 1?

They let Romain go with Button because Romain basically had the move done and the places were decided already. He didn't need to squeeze Button so much to get the move done, it was just an "unfortunate consequence" of his driving.

With Massa, I'm willing to bet that both Ferrari and McLaren were lobbying extra hard at this point and something had to be done. Also he did pass off the track, but you could also say that he did it so as not to cause a collision, which is also true. He committed to the move and there was a car sharing the racing line that he couldn't make disappear.
I re-watched it and:
- yes and no but I'm not going to argue about it; yes - earlier RG was effectively in front, Button was going nowhere and forced the issue, then there was a move and contact, no - because it was partly forced by Button's position, there was no way he would have made a corner from the position he was in. Nothing changes: racing incident, fake outrage from Button to cover his part of the blame, Grosjean guilty too of course, but they ignored positioning and who was in front at respective times applying penalty. "No" part because it was a penalty in the end.
- Hamilton pushed Webber off more than in the above situation, to be clear I'm not complaining and he was more in front, just a proof that it happens all the time, they are forcing positions on each other all the time, Webber had to go off the track to avoid contact or slow down earlier - same as Button.
- Local commentators are funny, when it's their driver (LH) it's brilliant when it's not theirs (RG) they're downplaying it as 'Massa being "compliant"' Really, and Webber wasn't by going off the track? There was less room and help from the other driver in the 2nd situation, if it's not their driver it's the car, if it's theirs pure skillzzz
- Massa overtake - pretty clear but close, still it was nice to watch, but:
- v. good point above about leaving space, I hadn't thought of it, if there was one reason to let it go that was it, this formal car's width while in front, he had to take that line with Massa's wing right beside while being in front, literally couple of cm missing because of that.

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Don't know if it's been posted yet...

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I mean come on... In a corner like that? "Racing"
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What happened to Rosberg's car? Was it related to the Massa collision?

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smlbstcbr wrote:What happened to Rosberg's car? Was it related to the Massa collision?
No. It was Engine Overheating. He just lost positions when made contact with Massa. Nothing to do with the engine.

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muhammadtalha-13 wrote:
smlbstcbr wrote:What happened to Rosberg's car? Was it related to the Massa collision?
No. It was Engine Overheating. He just lost positions when made contact with Massa. Nothing to do with the engine.
Ah, good to know, but I don't recall seeing smoke coming out of the exhausts.

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Oh there was plenty of smoke and a small fire!

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I think it was more the inertia of the moment and playing it safe, letting a good space between the cars rather than Romain thinking "YEAAA LET'S GO OVER THE WHITE LINES TO PASS THIS B***H!!! F***K THE RULES!!!".
But nevertheless, I think there were stranger drive-thru penalties in the recent years than this one.
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As a fan it was a cracking overtake, I'd happily watch more like that every race.
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RG's pass was clean and very well executed. I do not at all understand why he was penalized as drivers put four wheels over all the time. Whatever.

Good drive from Ham and congrats to him for his first win with Merc. His first keepable trophy from F1. He seemed to be on rails today.

I have a question re: Merc.

Was the Merc win another freak thing like what has happened with them before - uncannily finding a perfect sweet spot with the tires - when they have just drove off into the distance, or do most here feel the win was not a one-off and they have resolved their tire issue?
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Chuckjr wrote:RG's pass was clean and very well executed. I do not at all understand why he was penalized as drivers put four wheels over all the time. Whatever.

Good drive from Ham and congrats to him for his first win with Merc. His first keepable trophy from F1. He seemed to be on rails today.

I have a question re: Merc.

Was the Merc win another freak thing like what has happened with them before - uncannily finding a perfect sweet spot with the tires - when they have just drove off into the distance, or do most here feel the win was not a one-off and they have resolved their tire issue?
For me, it's too much of a coincidence. Time will confirm it, but I'd bet pirelli have solve their tyre issues for them.

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LionKing wrote:
cirrusflyer wrote: Massa colided in to Rosberg and they did not investigate. So double standards!?
That was on Rosberg though.
There was replay from a higher perspective and it was clear.
Huh, from a replay just now, rosberg was just minding his own business round the outside and Massa speared off into him.

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beelsebob wrote:
Chuckjr wrote:RG's pass was clean and very well executed. I do not at all understand why he was penalized as drivers put four wheels over all the time. Whatever.

Good drive from Ham and congrats to him for his first win with Merc. His first keepable trophy from F1. He seemed to be on rails today.

I have a question re: Merc.

Was the Merc win another freak thing like what has happened with them before - uncannily finding a perfect sweet spot with the tires - when they have just drove off into the distance, or do most here feel the win was not a one-off and they have resolved their tire issue?
For me, it's too much of a coincidence. Time will confirm it, but I'd bet pirelli have solve their tyre issues for them.
If your theory is correct - perhaps in fact Mercedes adapted the best to the 2012 tyres, but the tyres were changed and completely screwed with Mercedes?
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Chuckjr wrote:RG's pass was clean and very well executed. I do not at all understand why he was penalized as drivers put four wheels over all the time. Whatever.
Because it's Grosjean... If any other driver would have made exactly the same move, they would've gotten away with it. This was 100% pure racing and it's downright embarrassing for F1 and racing in general that a pass like this is being penalised.

He tried to overtake on a very difficult corner, he left space throughout the entire action, he was still with 2 wheels over the curbstones and he didn't make contact. What the f-ck does he have to do?! Are we still racing these days or what?! F1 is becoming a very very sad sport in terms of racing.
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F1 is becoming a very very sad sport in terms of racing.
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EDIT...Double Post
To achieve anything, you must be prepared to dabble on the boundary of disaster.”
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