Has the philisophy changed? What changed about the philosophy?Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 13:28So technically it is a B-Spec car after all since everything changed on it even the philosophy.
Has the philisophy changed? What changed about the philosophy?Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 13:28So technically it is a B-Spec car after all since everything changed on it even the philosophy.
Stella said evolution, so which means it'd not a change of philosophy, probably just a different development path. Also, Stella has refrained from calling it a B-spec, at best, he describes it as "sort of" or "what you may call". No chassis change, so it's not until b-spec. Besides, it would be pretty hard to handle a b-spec in a cost cap era. A team like McLaren would be operating near, if not at cap already.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 13:28So technically it is a B-Spec car after all since everything changed on it even the philosophy.
Everyone knows the car is flawed and has been for a long time. But only one driver was unable to extract anything from it. Only one driver used that as an excuse.
Realists are ok… Spammers on the other hand…
I don't think anyone here or anywhere is expecting 0.7 to 0.8 secs improvement, except maybe Mika Hakkinen...swifteddie1 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 19:53I watched the Team Principals press conference and i think we need to temper our expectations with this upgrade. Stella said they are expecting a few tenths of improvement. That doesn't sound like the 0.7 to 0.8 seconds that some on here are expecting. Teams aren't going to stand still so its not realistic that we will jump Alpine/Aston/Mercedes/Ferrari.
What i'm most interested in seeing is the solutions the aero department has come up with to address the aero inefficiencies for the MCL60 and whether those will be a good platform for developing into 2024.
Stella’s own target was the 4th fastest car by seasons endswifteddie1 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 19:53I watched the Team Principals press conference and i think we need to temper our expectations with this upgrade. Stella said they are expecting a few tenths of improvement. That doesn't sound like the 0.7 to 0.8 seconds that some on here are expecting. Teams aren't going to stand still so its not realistic that we will jump Alpine/Aston/Mercedes/Ferrari.
What i'm most interested in seeing is the solutions the aero department has come up with to address the aero inefficiencies for the MCL60 and whether those will be a good platform for developing into 2024.
Someone in here has been talking about 1 second insteadGround Effect wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 19:57I don't think anyone here or anywhere is expecting 0.7 to 0.8 secs improvement, except maybe Mika Hakkinen...swifteddie1 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 19:53I watched the Team Principals press conference and i think we need to temper our expectations with this upgrade. Stella said they are expecting a few tenths of improvement. That doesn't sound like the 0.7 to 0.8 seconds that some on here are expecting. Teams aren't going to stand still so its not realistic that we will jump Alpine/Aston/Mercedes/Ferrari.
What i'm most interested in seeing is the solutions the aero department has come up with to address the aero inefficiencies for the MCL60 and whether those will be a good platform for developing into 2024.
I forgot about himScottR267 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 21:27Someone in here has been talking about 1 second insteadGround Effect wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 19:57I don't think anyone here or anywhere is expecting 0.7 to 0.8 secs improvement, except maybe Mika Hakkinen...swifteddie1 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 19:53I watched the Team Principals press conference and i think we need to temper our expectations with this upgrade. Stella said they are expecting a few tenths of improvement. That doesn't sound like the 0.7 to 0.8 seconds that some on here are expecting. Teams aren't going to stand still so its not realistic that we will jump Alpine/Aston/Mercedes/Ferrari.
What i'm most interested in seeing is the solutions the aero department has come up with to address the aero inefficiencies for the MCL60 and whether those will be a good platform for developing into 2024.
Unfortunately, whether this is how you intend to mean it or not in your latest posts, because of the sheer amount of time that you spent previously battering the team and defending Ricciardo, in many peoples eyes you have never taken off those Ricciardo tinted glasses. And they see your posts a little through that lens.djos wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 14:55You know what I find hilarious, you guys take issue with me calling the car flawed and using comments from Lando to back up my assertions.Balalu wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 14:43We both know the facts, you just choose to see only half of them.
Repeating the same poop again and again will not change anything.
It has been discussed to death, resurrected and disussed to death again many times. Just grab a beer, relax and move on, for your own sake and for the sake of eveyone that reads these forums.
And now we have Andreas telling us, after Key was fired, that Lando was in fact being diplomatic. The car is a dog and needs serious development work to fix!
And then folks like you get all grumpy with me for simply being correct!