Christian Horner under Investigation

[maxxer]

So far the RB Press Release is the only communication worth reading on the subject it has the advantage of being factual.

No, to you they are, not for everyone, many times media fill in the gaps that the press reports keep hidden. Things that you may not like, but are factual.

Explain to me line by line what isn't factual in the RB Press release?

I suspect you want to indulge in gossip, you aren't happy that RB haven't published all the salacious detail of the allegations if there actually were any. This is a private workplace incident apparently between two people there is no in the public interest argument to know more.

Personally, I don't give two squits what CH has done or hasn't done only that he gets a fair hearing as everyone is entitled to. I can wait for the outcome of the independent investigation, if it was found CH was up to no good and is required to leave so be it, he'll deservedly get the boot. We will learn if he's going or not in due course, all we have to do is wait. When senior people depart companies there are often NDA agreements in place such that no one can discuss the reasons for leaving or terms of leaving and that would include the injured party too. So don't expect a press release that is filled with all the gory details just the bare facts.

The media isn't filling in the gaps, it's making sh!t up right now, that should be obvious to anyone who has read the full gamut of allegations from all those solid sources. No one outside of a very small number of people in RB have any idea what's going on and what the real allegations are. There's no Sy Hersh or John Pilger level of journalist fighting to hold the powerful to account here, the column inches are being written by bottom feeders who live off scraps and what they don't know will happily make up for clicks.

Fully agree , we will probably never know what happened so lets move on

[f1jcw]

I suspect you want to indulge in gossip, you aren't happy that RB haven't published all the salacious detail of the allegations if there actually were any. This is a private workplace incident apparently between two people there is no in the public interest argument to know more.

Remind you of what you posted a short while earlier

So it’s likely he raised his voice and a snowflake got offended.

So it is fine to make something up about the mystery victim, but totally wrong to say anything that doesn’t hold Redbull in a high regard, and we must ignore anything that comes from the media about this situation, unless I presume it is something supporting Horner, and then we will be allowed to offer it up for consideration?

[CMC]

No relevant news on this topic in the last 2 days, and this thread is just people repeating their opinions over and over or picking on one another.

[dans79]

No relevant news on this topic in the last 2 days, and this thread is just people repeating their opinions over and over or picking on one another.

That's what most forums are!

[stephen]

It seems unlikely that this case would be solves before the start of the season It would be interesting if Horner leaves Red Bull during the season and how it would effect the results of the team.

[Wouter]

It seems unlikely that this case would be solves before the start of the season It would be interesting if Horner leaves Red Bull during the season and how it would effect the results of the team.

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I don't find that interesting. Ofcourse it will effect the results of the team if Horner leaves.

[dans79]

If he gets removed part way through the season he probably did something to justify it!

[carisi2k]

Since the death of Dietrich Mateschitz, a huge power struggle has been going on between RB GmbH and RBR/Horner.
The two teams were the passion of Mateschitz, Horner and Marko were in charge.
Now Mintzlaff is in charge and he gives nothing about the F1 and the two teams who were M's passion, only about money .
He wants to be in charge of RBR (TP), doesn't want Ford involved and wants Horner out. He is the only one who wants Horner out.
Not Marko, not Max, not Jos, etc. That's why he told Van Haren and F1Insider that there was an investigation going on.
Something that should have stayed inside!! Because of that Horner is already getting a bad name and that is exactly what he wants. Horner out!

It is not normal for the top boss (Mintzlaff) of a major company to release a secret internal investigation before the final results are known! He knew what the consequences would be for Horner before the investigation.

This seems to be the most likely situation to me. All the other nonsense about marko vs horner, newey, Max and Jos seems to be coming from sources with dodgy information and ulterior motives.This getting out seems to be a clear move by the new top guys at RBHQ because Horner, Marko and Newey have been working together for 20 years and we have never seen these sorts of issues between them. All this supposed information is clearly about trying to make Horner look bad. All I see on youtube is 100% nonsense from vloggers who have there own motives to see Red Bull broken up because they are Mercedes, Ferrari or Lulu fanboys.

[carisi2k]

So it is fine to make something up about the mystery victim, but totally wrong to say anything that doesn’t hold Redbull in a high regard, and we must ignore anything that comes from the media about this situation, unless I presume it is something supporting Horner, and then we will be allowed to offer it up for consideration?

The question is why are you so trusting of the information that is out there? Innocent until proven guilty.

[f1jcw]

Well, the person who said Horner wanted to set up a shell company with him in charge as said


The Red Bull GmbH #ChristianHorner leak machine now silent. The offer of "voluntary resignation" as "face-saver" suggests his enemies overvalued the ethics case against him. Seems he toughed out the grilling, leaving them in a quandary. Fold or chance sacking him on weak grounds

Just baseless rumour, but so is everything’s

[mendis]

If he gets removed part way through the season he probably did something to justify it!

You said you worked in corporate place. You would know that any harassment related investigation and redressal is time bound and has to be concluded in a time bound manner. This is to avoid keeping the involved employees under duress. If there is an genuine incident and if that has cost CH his job, we would soon know it and I don't expect it to take months or part way through the season.

[dans79]

If he gets removed part way through the season he probably did something to justify it!

You said you worked in corporate place. You would know that any harassment related investigation and redressal is time bound and has to be concluded in a time bound manner. This is to avoid keeping the involved employees under duress. If there is an genuine incident and if that has cost CH his job, we would soon know it and I don't expect it to take months or part way through the season.

In my state the statute of limitations Is 300 days!

[mendis]

If he gets removed part way through the season he probably did something to justify it!

You said you worked in corporate place. You would know that any harassment related investigation and redressal is time bound and has to be concluded in a time bound manner. This is to avoid keeping the involved employees under duress. If there is an genuine incident and if that has cost CH his job, we would soon know it and I don't expect it to take months or part way through the season.

In my state the statute of limitations Is 300 days!

While this one is applicable for sexual harassment, I would assume similar timeframes are applicable for other harassment cases too in US. I will try to find one for general harassment and edit this post.

10 U.S. Code § 1561 - Complaints of sexual harassment: investigation by commanding officers
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/1561

(c)Duration of Investigation.—
To the extent practicable, a commanding officer or officer in charge receiving such a complaint shall ensure that the investigation of the complaint is completed not later than 14 days after the date on which the investigation is commenced.

(d)Report on Investigation.—To the extent practicable, a commanding officer or officer in charge receiving such a complaint shall—
(1)submit a final report on the results of the investigation, including any action taken as a result of the investigation, to the next superior officer referred to in subsection (b)(1) within 20 days after the date on which the investigation is commenced; or

(2)submit a report on the progress made in completing the investigation to the next superior officer referred to in subsection (b)(1) within 20 days after the date on which the investigation is commenced and every 14 days thereafter until the investigation is completed and, upon completion of the investigation, then submit a final report on the results of the investigation, including any action taken as a result of the investigation, to that next superior officer.

[dans79]

You said you worked in corporate place. You would know that any harassment related investigation and redressal is time bound and has to be concluded in a time bound manner. This is to avoid keeping the involved employees under duress. If there is an genuine incident and if that has cost CH his job, we would soon know it and I don't expect it to take months or part way through the season.

In my state the statute of limitations Is 300 days!

While this one is applicable for sexual harassment, I would assume similar timeframes are applicable for other harassment cases too in US. I will try to find one for general harassment and edit this post.

10 U.S. Code § 1561 - Complaints of sexual harassment: investigation by commanding officers
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/1561

(c)Duration of Investigation.—
To the extent practicable, a commanding officer or officer in charge receiving such a complaint shall ensure that the investigation of the complaint is completed not later than 14 days after the date on which the investigation is commenced.

(d)Report on Investigation.—To the extent practicable, a commanding officer or officer in charge receiving such a complaint shall—
(1)submit a final report on the results of the investigation, including any action taken as a result of the investigation, to the next superior officer referred to in subsection (b)(1) within 20 days after the date on which the investigation is commenced; or

(2)submit a report on the progress made in completing the investigation to the next superior officer referred to in subsection (b)(1) within 20 days after the date on which the investigation is commenced and every 14 days thereafter until the investigation is completed and, upon completion of the investigation, then submit a final report on the results of the investigation, including any action taken as a result of the investigation, to that next superior officer.

Note that is military related and they play by their own rules.

[Chuckjr]

Since the death of Dietrich Mateschitz, a huge power struggle has been going on between RB GmbH and RBR/Horner.
The two teams were the passion of Mateschitz, Horner and Marko were in charge.
Now Mintzlaff is in charge and he gives nothing about the F1 and the two teams who were M's passion, only about money .
He wants to be in charge of RBR (TP), doesn't want Ford involved and wants Horner out. He is the only one who wants Horner out.
Not Marko, not Max, not Jos, etc. That's why he told Van Haren and F1Insider that there was an investigation going on.
Something that should have stayed inside!! Because of that Horner is already getting a bad name and that is exactly what he wants. Horner out!

It is not normal for the top boss (Mintzlaff) of a major company to release a secret internal investigation before the final results are known! He knew what the consequences would be for Horner before the investigation.

Nailed it.