[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[adrianjordan]

Just to touch on the whole changing tyres under red flag situation. Perhaps the rule could state that, if you change tyres under red flag and do not make visit to the pits at any other point in the race, then you will have a time equal to the fastest pit stop (including entry/exit etc) of any other driver added to your final race time.

No where in the rules does it state you have to make a pit stop, just that you have to run 2 different sets of dry tires. As you are allowed to make changes and change tires during red flag conditions everything is within the rules...

It doesn't. I'm proposing a change to the rules to make them fairer. Therefore things would be different than they are now. Not a difficult concept

[holeindalip]

Just to touch on the whole changing tyres under red flag situation. Perhaps the rule could state that, if you change tyres under red flag and do not make visit to the pits at any other point in the race, then you will have a time equal to the fastest pit stop (including entry/exit etc) of any other driver added to your final race time.

No where in the rules does it state you have to make a pit stop, just that you have to run 2 different sets of dry tires. As you are allowed to make changes and change tires during red flag conditions everything is within the rules...

It doesn't. I'm proposing a change to the rules to make them fairer. Therefore things would be different than they are now. Not a difficult concept

It’s fine just the way it is imo, no changes needed

[ScottR267]

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[diffuser]

No where in the rules does it state you have to make a pit stop, just that you have to run 2 different sets of dry tires. As you are allowed to make changes and change tires during red flag conditions everything is within the rules...

I think they just should add a 5 sec stop and go penalty and be done with it. Basically say no tire changes BUT if you REALLY have to, pay the piper.

So a race leader should be sent to the back of a closed up grid after a restart if he was just about to change his tyres before the red flag and come back in maybe, say 1st to 5th?

Why?

Nope, he should come out with the old tires.

There are so many different scenarios at different tracks that it is the only reasonable thing to do.
Like maybe the cars that just pitted are now running 2 seconds a lap faster. So when the leader would have pitted and come out, he would have come out behind the others.

Maybe the leader would have had a pitstop problem where something like a right rear tire gets stuck and it adds 10 seconds to his pitstop.

I guess, they could force 3 VSC laps prior to a red flag to allow for tire changes.

[Macklaren]

A red flag should have no more impact on the running order than a safety car. It is impossible to negate the distortion caused by a safety car (unless you do a VSC) but at least no one gets to completely skip pit stops in a safety car period. diffuser's idea seeks to achieve this.
FWIW, I think they should have done a VSC for both the Magnussen and LeClerc incidents rather than SC and red flag. Almost seems like Masi wanted to spice up a processional race.

[_cerber1]

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[diffuser]

https://news.sky.com/story/f1-team-owne ... q-12067887

That happens alot. You can write more off by writing off the lease payments than any expense you might have on the property, pay less taxes.

[billamend]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... l/4871542/

[f1rules]

So basicly everything needs to be updated but honestly im not surprised, know we just have someone with the knowledge and strength behind the words for this to hopefully happen

"I'm talking here about the wind tunnel, which we don't have in-house.

"I'm talking here about the driving simulator, which is outdated, I'm talking about CFD infrastructure which is not up to date anymore, and also about our production infrastructure, which is outdated.

[Jackles-UK]

A red flag should have no more impact on the running order than a safety car. It is impossible to negate the distortion caused by a safety car (unless you do a VSC) but at least no one gets to completely skip pit stops in a safety car period. diffuser's idea seeks to achieve this.
FWIW, I think they should have done a VSC for both the Magnussen and LeClerc incidents rather than SC and red flag. Almost seems like Masi wanted to spice up a processional race.

A VSC probably would’ve been OK for the Magnussen one if they took it into the service road instead of pushing the car manually down the pit lane but the Leclerc crash caused serious damage to the barrier which took almost half an hour to repair. Running that under VSC would have wasted 10-15 race laps and wouldn’t have allowed the full empty track to get the repair teams on & off the scene safely.

[diffuser]

A red flag should have no more impact on the running order than a safety car. It is impossible to negate the distortion caused by a safety car (unless you do a VSC) but at least no one gets to completely skip pit stops in a safety car period. diffuser's idea seeks to achieve this.
FWIW, I think they should have done a VSC for both the Magnussen and LeClerc incidents rather than SC and red flag. Almost seems like Masi wanted to spice up a processional race.

A VSC probably would’ve been OK for the Magnussen one if they took it into the service road instead of pushing the car manually down the pit lane but the Leclerc crash caused serious damage to the barrier which took almost half an hour to repair. Running that under VSC would have wasted 10-15 race laps and wouldn’t have allowed the full empty track to get the repair teams on & off the scene safely.

Would have ? There was VSC for the Mag incident.

Almost everyone changed thier tires that hadn't under that VCS.

No,Name/Team                                    ,Lap,TIME OF DAY,STOP,DURAT ,TOTAL TIME
 6,Nicholas LATIFI Williams Racing              , 16,   15:36:53,   1,26.335,26.335
16,Charles LECLERC Scuderia Ferrari             , 17,   15:38:12,   1,24.344,24.344
 7,Kimi RAIKKONEN Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN       , 18,   15:39:31,   1,24.454,24.454
10,Pierre GASLY Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda       , 19,   15:40:55,   1,24.096,24.096
44,Lewis HAMILTON Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team , 20,   15:41:58,   1,24.671,24.671
99,Antonio GIOVINAZZI Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN   , 20,   15:42:53,   1,23.998,23.998
55,Carlos SAINZ McLaren F1 Team                 , 22,   15:46:40,   1,24.398,24.398
 4,Lando NORRIS McLaren F1 Team                 , 22,   15:46:47,   1,24.612,24.612
11,Sergio PEREZ BWT Racing Point F1 Team        , 22,   15:46:48,   1,26.693,26.693
 3,Daniel RICCIARDO Renault DP World F1 Team    , 22,   15:46:48,   1,25.498,25.498
77,Valtteri BOTTAS Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team, 22,   15:46:49,   1,24.410,24.410
33,Max VERSTAPPEN Aston Martin Red Bull Racing  , 22,   15:46:50,   1,26.149,26.149
31,Esteban OCON Renault DP World F1 Team        , 22,   15:46:55,   1,25.290,25.290
26,Daniil KVYAT Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda       , 22,   15:46:56,   1,25.920,25.920
23,Alexander ALBON Aston Martin Red Bull Racing , 22,   15:46:56,   1,29.661,29.661
 8,Romain GROSJEAN Haas F1 Team                 , 22,   15:46:57,   1,25.936,25.936
63,George RUSSELL Williams Racing               , 22,   15:46:57,   1,25.249,25.249

That's why I would have had no sympathy for Stroll had he not been allowed to change his tires under red flags. He had every oppotunity to do so when everyone else did.

So that's why I would do no tire change and mandatory 3 laps of VSC before full stop, when possible. 3 VSCs aren't always possible.

Anyways done talking about this.

[Minsim]

Am I right in thinking that the lack of low speed corners and the car being decent in medium and high speed corners that we should be looking forward to this weekend?

[Andres125sx]

So that's why I would do no tire change and mandatory 3 laps of VSC before full stop, when possible. 3 VSCs aren't always possible.

In what scenario you think is possible 3 VSC laps before full stop? If 3 VSC laps are plausible and safe, then there´s no reason for a full stop after that, only if those 3 laps were done in a dangerous scenario wich actually requires a full stop. Not a sensible thing to do IMHO

[mclaren111]

Am I right in thinking that the lack of low speed corners and the car being decent in medium and high speed corners that we should be looking forward to this weekend?

From the little that I know, that's my reasoning as well...

[Mansell89]

Am I right in thinking that the lack of low speed corners and the car being decent in medium and high speed corners that we should be looking forward to this weekend?

If that’s the case we should be pretty solid- bit like Austria?

As usual the midfield will be super tight