Spanish GP 2012 - Barcelona

[Crucial_Xtreme]

But the hypothetical situation we've postulated is deliberately doing a run without enough fuel for the sample, putting more fuel in and then doing another aborted run with enough fuel. Thus getting around the rules.

That hypothetical doesn't apply. Lewis couldn't get back to the pits to refuel. You can't refuel in parc ferme. He couldn't go back to garage.

[Nando]

But the hypothetical situation we've postulated is deliberately doing a run without enough fuel for the sample, putting more fuel in and then doing another aborted run with enough fuel. Thus getting around the rules.

Ok i see now what you mean, sorry.

[myurr]

So, the man who set the fastest time starts behind the man who failed to qualify. Welcome to the world of Formula One. #f1

Quite.

[beelsebob]

Lewis just can't catch a break this season.. HIS car has been fantastic. Heads will surely roll if not rolling right now..
I imagine he will start on the harder compound now and cruise up the field the first 10+ laps and hope to be in the top 10 by lap 20. I wonder though if it will be a two stop or one stop strategy.. I get nervous when it comes to Hamilton's tire management skills. As we've seen this year it's all about tire strategy vs relative pace.

I wouldn't be surprised if with Hamilton they didn't take a punt on a hypothetically faster 5 stopper, and rely on overtaking skills, because trying to do fewer stops than anyone else is clearly not going to work.

[myurr]

But the hypothetical situation we've postulated is deliberately doing a run without enough fuel for the sample, putting more fuel in and then doing another aborted run with enough fuel. Thus getting around the rules.

That hypothetical doesn't apply. Lewis couldn't get back to the pits to refuel. You can't refuel in parc ferme. He couldn't go back to garage.

We're not arguing about this particular offence but how the rule as it is being applied is open to undetected abuse.

Edit: You've also misunderstood what we're proposing. You do one qualifying run without enough fuel for a sample, pit, refuel with more fuel, then do another aborted run. Thus when you're finished you have enough fuel.

[Joie de vivre]

Take away P1 from Lewis? OK.

Then take away VICTORY from Vettel!

[beelsebob]

But the hypothetical situation we've postulated is deliberately doing a run without enough fuel for the sample, putting more fuel in and then doing another aborted run with enough fuel. Thus getting around the rules.

That hypothetical doesn't apply. Lewis couldn't get back to the pits to refuel. You can't refuel in parc ferme. He couldn't go back to garage.

No – it doesn't – again, this argument has nothing to do with Lewis, it's only a demonstration that the rule is flawed.

[astracrazy]

But the hypothetical situation we've postulated is deliberately doing a run without enough fuel for the sample, putting more fuel in and then doing another aborted run with enough fuel. Thus getting around the rules.

That hypothetical doesn't apply. Lewis couldn't get back to the pits to refuel. You can't refuel in parc ferme. He couldn't go back to garage.

yes you can, there in parc ferme from the time they leave the pits in q1. how do they re-fuel the cars for the race?

[Nando]

At least we will get another Hamilton highlight video.

[sAx]

So conclusion... There's at least 3 ways around this rule:
1) Underfuel, do your lap, dump it in the gravel.
2) Underfuel, do your lap, come back in, put plenty of fuel in the car for a second run, go out, do another lap, return to parc-ferme.
3) Underfuel, do your lap, come back in, decide not to go out on track again.

No mate.

Lewis couldn't have done number 2 or number 3. He couldn't get back into the pits. He can't refuel after time expires. Wrecking is different.

not that Lewis is inocent.

What is Lewis guilty of? Collusion with his engineer to under fuel the car to absolute minimum weight or collusion with his engineer to get pole??

[Crucial_Xtreme]

No – it doesn't – again, this argument has nothing to do with Lewis, it's only a demonstration that the rule is flawed.

Even if you do what you say you're gambling. They could stop you & check fuel or weight. The same way they tried to stop Vergne in Bahrain. I mean I guess if you want to think of ways to contravene the rules, but you could get called in at any minute to be checked.

[foxmulder_ms]

Take away P1 from Lewis? OK.

Then take away VICTORY from Vettel!

Exactly... What's going on Formula... ???? I am so sad about this, right now. Where is the fairness?

[astracrazy]

At least we will get another Hamilton highlight video.

well the tyres are so s**t he'll be punished for pushing

[Redragon]

As I read it the best for a car with low performance in Qualy would be.

Wait to the end of Q3 when the track has improved, there is low traffic and with enough time to come back to pits.

Do just one run with really low fuel.

If you had a great Q2 and Q3 you have saved a set of tyres and it it is as today Alonso's lap mighty you can be really up there on top 3.

and between the rules.

[myurr]

No – it doesn't – again, this argument has nothing to do with Lewis, it's only a demonstration that the rule is flawed.

Even if you do what you say you're gambling. They could stop you & check fuel or weight. The same way they tried to stop Vergne in Bahrain. I mean I guess if you want to think of ways to contravene the rules, but you could get called in at any minute to be checked.

Demonstrate one occasion of them doing a fuel check in the middle of Q3. Ever.