2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

[waynes]

Turn 1 renamed to the ‘Niki Lauda Kurve’.

nice touch. I think the circuit should have been renamed the Lauda-ring, however i am aware that couldnt happen with its owners

[izzy]

Somebody on Sky, Brundle or PdR, said some cars have 30 radiators!! There's a whole secret world of layout in these cars isn't there, and Toto said Ferrari have basically done a better job of it, for cooling, hopefully it's not decisive today

[djones]

Somebody on Sky, Brundle or PdR, said some cars have 30 radiators!! There's a whole secret world of layout in these cars isn't there, and Toto said Ferrari have basically done a better job of it, for cooling, hopefully it's not decisive today

If this is true (probably is) then Honda/Redbull have also done a really good job of cooling.

I suspect a really bad race for Mercedes today. Which will probably do them good, just in case they had any feelings of invincibility.

[waynes]

Somebody on Sky, Brundle or PdR, said some cars have 30 radiators!! There's a whole secret world of layout in these cars isn't there, and Toto said Ferrari have basically done a better job of it, for cooling, hopefully it's not decisive today

i heard that was well and remembered the days when there were three radiators

[komninosm]

Let’s see, if Hamilton will get his deserved penalty. My assumption is no.

hahaha

A penalty for a Mercedes driver? You must be joking

hahaha

[netoperek]

George Russel will be starting from pit lane after changing front wing to different spec

[HPD]

[komninosm]

The best strategies according to Pirelli
https://i.imgur.com/PUtvOR6.jpg

wow
yet another super exciting 1-stop from pirelli. I wonder for how long is this 1-stop perfection is going to last

It will last until they bring refueling back, or change the pits road layout so that they lose less time going in and out.

[komninosm]

What does other driver's (in this case Vettel) behaviour have anything to do with the current problem? Such posts are only aimed to provoke.

Strange, after Canada there was lots of using other drivers' (or rather one driver, mostly) actions in previous situations to argue about the then current problem.

Goose, sauce, gander.

You would advocate to not do what you're doing now? Contradictions, indeed. Duck, dressing, drake.

There's no contradiction there logically.
LM10 is saying we shouldn't now use other similar incidents/drivers.
Just_a_fan says that LM10 and others were singing a different tune less than a month ago. He does not say that they should not have done so then explicitly. Ergo no contradiction.
On the other hand what Ferrari fans are doing (bringing examples then and not wanting examples now) is the obvious contradictory position.

[spin1/2]

I doubt cooling problems prevent powerunit power for 1 lap. It must be the extra cooling vents in the bodywork compromising the aero.

But surely not 6 tenths.

Changes to bodywork interfering with aero, lower PU mode, inability to keep tyres in optimal window. All of them contribute to the time delta.

[izzy]

Somebody on Sky, Brundle or PdR, said some cars have 30 radiators!! There's a whole secret world of layout in these cars isn't there, and Toto said Ferrari have basically done a better job of it, for cooling, hopefully it's not decisive today

i heard that was well and remembered the days when there were three radiators

It must be the best way but it's hard to imagine how, with all the tubing and connections and ducting they must need. What about 'central cooling'??

It is a bit over the top isn't it, surely FIA could reduce the minimum weight without compromising safety

[pb6797]

Maybe it depends on your definition of radiator. A heat sink could be considered a "radiator" so perhaps it isn't quite that extreme.

I think we had a discussion somewhere else about whether they could use the Meredith effect, but I forget the analysis.

[avatar]

It will last until they bring refueling back, or change the pits road layout so that they lose less time going in and out.

Good thought actually - since the pitlane speed limit was lowered years ago, how many of the circuits still have the same length entry/exit?

Combine that with no weight benefit from short stints and you're putting a lot of responsibility on the tires, to provide a performance differentiator on short stints that used to be better shared among fuel weight trade-off, fresh tyres and lower time-loss (higher speed limit meant less time lost for traversing the pitlane)...

Hence artificially requiring a stop & trying to get a performance differentiator by virtue of having to run 2 compounds...

I'd agree there needs to be a better balance between staying out and taking multiple stops - let's face it, right now (without the multi-compound rule) some tracks would be zero-stop races.

It'd be much better if zero stops were an option, but multi-stop was generally faster. Likely only an option with refuelling (tail-enders might then put a mega-size tank in and zero stop on hards, or go aggressive with a light tank and multiple stops).

[komninosm]

It will last until they bring refueling back, or change the pits road layout so that they lose less time going in and out.

Good thought actually - since the pitlane speed limit was lowered years ago, how many of the circuits still have the same length entry/exit?

Combine that with no weight benefit from short stints and you're putting at of responsibility on the tires, to provide a performance differentiator on short stints that used to be better shared among fuel weight trade, fresh this and lower time-loss (higher speed limit meant less time lost for traversing the pitlane)...

Hence artificially requiring a stop & trying to get a performance differentiator by virtue of having to run 2 compounds...

I'd agree there needs to be a better balance between staying out and taking multiple stops - let's face it, right now (without the multi-compound rule) some tracks would be zero-stop races.

It'd be much better if zero stops were an option, but multi-stop was generally faster. Likely only an option with refuelling (tail-enders might then put a mega-size tank in and zero stop on hards, or go aggressive with a light tank and multiple stops).

Exactly, bringing back refueling and/or shortening the pit entry and exit roads will make pit-stops a lot more desirable, and the lame abstract rule of having to use 2 different compounds unnecessary.
It will also probably increase safety because we've had a lot of instances of accidents with tires and stuff because of the 3 second pit stops.
More freedom, more options, better racing as you describe.

[TAG]

LH has more poles but fewer Ws compared to MSc.

14th. LH has a much higher W percentage than MS, give it 70 more races and we'll see where things wind up. Depending on what happens in the first couple of laps and where the temperature winds up, I think it's anyone's race from the top 4 spots.

MSc hurt his win percentage by returning for a second stint - it reduced from 36% down to 29%. LH only keeps increasing his win % during his Merc stint.

That's your opinion. The numbers are the numbers, not sure why you even brought it up other than for the intent to inflame. Don't worry if Hamilton doesn't win today his % will drop a little and you'll feel better.