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Fernando Alonso has won the German GP but only thanks to Felipe Massa. The Brazilian took the lead at the start and remained at the front until Massa as asked to let the Spaniard through because he was faster. Sebastian Vettel completes the podium in third.
Disagree. How will sponsors make more money from a Alonso Massa 1-2 instead of the other way around?! Also you could argue that the sponsors did rather well after the Redbull turkey affair! It is too early to make this call, Massa was only 8 old style points behind before today.NormanBates wrote:I think team rules should be allowed.
First, because they make sense: from sponsors to teams, everybody is here to make as much money as they can. Leaving money in the table would be silly. Letting your drivers fight each other and risk getting them both to not finish would be downright dumb.
Pretty sure Mark Webber was not following team orders in Turkey...his reward was a new contract. Massa may not have got away with not following today but that may not be the case for every driver.Second, because there's no way a driver is going to refuse to follow them, no matter how encripted they come: if massa hadn't caved in, he'd be driving a vastly slower car next week, and a kart in the following season.
there is one piece of the puzzle missed here and its name is "spectators". if they decide not to spend time watching races manipulated like this, there would be no money to get.NormanBates wrote:I think team rules should be allowed.
First, because they make sense: from sponsors to teams, everybody is here to make as much money as they can.
they are the blindest fanboys out there.
It is not too early at all. And the sponsors wouldn't make more money of the reversed 1-2, but they would make more money if a Ferrari driver wins the championship. Lapped cars made Alonso lose a 2nd (and maybe even a 1st) in Canada, the safety car in Valencia costed him another 10-15 points, and the double penalty for a single offence in the UK a few others. Had Fernando been within 20 points to the WDC lead, you wouldn't have seen this. But 45 points behind with 9 races to go? Don't be naïve.thestig84 wrote:Disagree. How will sponsors make more money from a Alonso Massa 1-2 instead of the other way around?! Also you could argue that the sponsors did rather well after the Redbull turkey affair! It is too early to make this call, Massa was only 8 old style points behind before today.NormanBates wrote:I think team rules should be allowed.
First, because they make sense: from sponsors to teams, everybody is here to make as much money as they can. Leaving money in the table would be silly. Letting your drivers fight each other and risk getting them both to not finish would be downright dumb.
Full interview here:Q. Felipe, a year to the day since your accident in Hungary. A win would have been the perfect way to mark that anniversary. Did you feel you deserved a win this afternoon?
Felipe MASSA: Well, I think so. The start was just fantastic and also the pace on the soft tyres was really great. Then I was struggling a little bit on the hard, but anyway it was a very good race for us.
Q. You were told by Rob Smedley, your race engineer, that Fernando was the faster car than yourself. A couple of laps later, turn six at the hairpin, talk us through what happened?
FM: Well, I don’t think I need to say anything about that.
Q. Fernando managed to get past you. Did you make a mistake? Was it under braking?
FM: He passed me.
Q. Then Rob Smedley said ’Good lad, sorry’.
FM: Yeah.
Q. Did you feel that you weren’t allowed to win that race?
FM: No, the only thing I feel is that we are working for the team and we are doing a very good job for the team and that is the most important thing.
Q. How pleasing is it for you that Ferrari are back up there competing with Red Bull?
FM: Well, I think it was a great job for the team during the last month I would say. We were pushing hard. This was a very good track for us but anyway I think we did a good job, good working inside the car, so the car became faster and faster race by race and I think that is very important for sure when you get to the track that you see your car is very, very competitive, so the best you can do is to do first and second on the track. This is what’s happened today, so I think as a team we achieved the maximum that is possible for this race.
What annoys some of us is the way that Ferrari very publicly bemoan 'manipulated races' (going so far as accussing the FIA of doing so) with one breath and then manipulate the race result themselves.andartop wrote:This thread is hilarious! [...]
Exactly right, Massa is the most at fault for all of this... For God's sake stand up and be a man Felipe... TEAM ORDERS WILL END WHEN ALL THE DRIVERS ACT LIKE MEN AND STOP ALLOWING(DEMANDING) IT... Say whatever you want about Webber but he would have never moved over for Vettel while still having a chance at the title, especially for a win.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Both should be penalised.andrew wrote:I think that 1st and 2nd places should be reversed or Alonso's result is disallowed. The team gets points from Massa's finish, Massa gets the win but they get nothing for Alonso. I think that is a lot fairer and will hurt the team more that a $100,000 fine which will be like pocket money to a team teh size of Ferrari.
Massa played his part in this too, and while I feel for him, If he ignored Ferrari we wouldnt have had this problem.
Ferrari double standards are legendary. I was really looking forward to a Massa vs Alonso duel. Ferrari had other ideas. Thanks for screwing up the race there fellasJust_a_fan wrote:What annoys some of us is the way that Ferrari very publicly bemoan 'manipulated races' (going so far as accussing the FIA of doing so) with one breath and then manipulate the race result themselves.andartop wrote:This thread is hilarious! [...]