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Fernando Alonso has won the German GP but only thanks to Felipe Massa. The Brazilian took the lead at the start and remained at the front until Massa as asked to let the Spaniard through because he was faster. Sebastian Vettel completes the podium in third.
Brazil 2007-Massa was already mathmatically eliminatedMiguel wrote:I'll only add that the German GP isn't the first time we've had clear team orders since 2002. Off the top of my head, Ferrari used them in Brazil 2007 (Kimi WDC) and China 2008 (for Massa, didn't work out). McLaren used them at least in Hungary 2005 (Montoya letting Kimi by), Germany 2008 (Kovalainen letting Hamilton by) and Turkey 2010 ("Jenson, save fuel"). We've seen the Red Bull incidents, as well. Tell me how this is different from taking off the front wing from one car to put it into the other. None of these incidents were awarded a penalty.
Germany 2010 Alonso was catching Massa at .3 secs a lap, so, same difference!Super racing wrote:Germany 2008-Hamilton was closing on him at several seconds a lapMiguel wrote:I'll only add that the German GP isn't the first time we've had clear team orders since 2002. Off the top of my head, Ferrari used them in Brazil 2007 (Kimi WDC) and China 2008 (for Massa, didn't work out). McLaren used them at least in Hungary 2005 (Montoya letting Kimi by), Germany 2008 (Kovalainen letting Hamilton by) and Turkey 2010 ("Jenson, save fuel"). We've seen the Red Bull incidents, as well. Tell me how this is different from taking off the front wing from one car to put it into the other. None of these incidents were awarded a penalty.
Turkey 2010-was not team orders
Vettel did NOTHING that any other pole sitter has done for the last number of years!Ray wrote:All I've got to say is, what the hell is wrong with Vettel? He tried that same move in Silverstone and it bit him there. Why try it again? He would have been at the front dicing with the Ferraris if he wasn't trying to stuff everyone in the wall at the start. What a stupid move.
And if there is a clean side and a dirty side between them is absolutely filthy so driving thru it to try and block out the driver on the dirty side slows you down even further.marcush. wrote:still it is completly idiotic after a low start to steer and change direction as it will slow you even more and of course you open the path for the guy who started behind you as well..so instead of 1 he lost 2positions...a bad start is a bad start ,you have to live with it ...nothing you can do to rectify it .You have to readjust your tactic and not defend but attack ...it seems most drivers don´t understand this.
Truemarcush. wrote:still it is completly idiotic after a low start to steer and change direction as it will slow you even more and of course you open the path for the guy who started behind you as well..so instead of 1 he lost 2positions...a bad start is a bad start ,you have to live with it ...nothing you can do to rectify it .You have to readjust your tactic and not defend but attack ...it seems most drivers don´t understand this.
Rather, if Vettel managed to keep at least Massa behind him instead of trying to take Alonso out we would have had a nice battle for second between Vettel and Massa and a start to finish win for Alonso...andrew wrote:Can't help but think if only Vettel had squeezed Alonso a bit more we would have not had this whole team orders debacle.
Difference came from the first picture - starting point.marcush. wrote: funny is that webbo does exactly the same move as Vettel in the second pic... maybe they have the same coach???
