2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-red-bul ... ibt-64229/

From Ralf Bach

Verstappens believed Perez was out. Red Bull did an unexpected 180 on Monday. Liberty media contacted them out of fear that the Mexican GP would lose sales if Perez was cut. COTA would have also lost attendance.

This was the unanimous message after the Mexican's messed up race in Spa, which was considered Perez's last chance to prove himself. Verstappen and Co. were all the more surprising when they learned of the 180-degree turnaround by Red Bull decision-makers on Monday evening.

He did not want to comment on the background in more detail. What leaked behind the scenes: Formula 1 rights holder Liberty Media asked Red Bull to reconsider Perez's dismissal. Without folk hero Perez, they feared an extreme drop in revenue at the Mexico GP on October 27. However, Marko indicates: "For 2025, the cards will be reshuffled again."

So I think that Perez will be out at the end of 2024. There are simply bigger financial considerations at play preventing a mid-season change.

Max thinking Perez was out after Spa would explain why he didn't say anything during the race or after the race about Perez holding him up. I think it was a courtesy given the situation.

Isn't this farfetched? If Perez' staying would lead to a drop in WCC that would cost RedBull a lot of price money. Compensation would be logical.

The difference in prize money between P1 and P2 WCC is around 9M dollars (subject to change since it depends on FOM revenue). On the surface, this is more than compensated by all the marketing and sponsorship that Perez contributes.

I don't think Liberty has a say in Red Bull's driver decisions, but conversations can make people reconsider. Yes, he is costing them the WCC and may cost them in ways that are difficult to put a price on (team members leaving, angry fans), but it can be compensated in other ways.

Maybe Wache wants this to get extra windtunnel time. There must be something useful that is coming from keeping him.

[TeamKoolGreen]

In The Race's video, they say Perez could still be fired if he performs badly in the next few outings. Does anyone believe that ? I don't. They will stick with him till the end, no matter how it goes.

When Perez was hired, the first thing Christian Horner said is that they don't need Perez's money. And this was before Oracle wrote their blank check. So I don't think it has really anything to do with money. It has to do with indecisiveness. They are just too afraid of change.

[Paa]

In The Race's video, they say Perez could still be fired if he performs badly in the next few outings. Does anyone believe that ? I don't. They will stick with him till the end, no matter how it goes.

When Perez was hired, the first thing Christian Horner said is that they don't need Perez's money. And this was before Oracle wrote their blank check. So I don't think it has really anything to do with money. It has to do with indecisiveness. They are just too afraid of change.

I'm not saying they hired Perez for the money, but if they did, Horner would have said the same thing.

[sour]

Lets hope they are keeping Checo because they have a fix for whatever the mechanical/suspension issues are after the break and they dont totally blame the driver. Maybe Max is making the RB20 look better than what a normal person can do because he is Max. Of course I won't hold my breath bc that is probably an expensive change that would require it to be made in 2025. Still, lets hope!

[AR3-GP]

In The Race's video, they say Perez could still be fired if he performs badly in the next few outings. Does anyone believe that ? I don't. They will stick with him till the end, no matter how it goes.
. It has to do with indecisiveness. They are just too afraid of change.

There wouldn't have been a meeting on Monday with Marko, Horner, and the others in Milton Keynes to discuss drivers if there was never any intention to consider a change.

Ralf Bach is close with Verstappens. If you'll recall, Bach was the one publishing all of the Horner hit pieces earlier this year, no doubt with the help of Jos who also wanted Horner gone. So that's why I think Jos and Max were initially told that Perez was out, just as reported in the article. If Bach says it, it's probably direct from the source.

[MYsee]

Red Bull have been firing drivers all those years for way less dreadful performances than Perez! Just look at Albon and Gasly! So it’s probably Perez keeping something up his sleeve regarding Horner which doesn’t let Horner get rid of him…

There’s no other explanation! Hopefully they do lose the WCC so that Horner gets a lesson at last this season…

I can only guess but it seems they do not believe Yuki/Riccardo/Lawson are much of an upgrade over Perez and none of the three would make a difference to the results at the end of the season.

Maybe the plan is to revisit this in the summer and look at other options for a real upgrade.

Sainz was a free agent and waiting for this exact position for 2025! I never really understood what’s the point of not signing such a driver specially since he has been in your junior ranks and you know him pretty well!

Probably something to do with the Verstapens…

I'm with you. I could see some concern with the current driver line-up and their confidence if Sainz was signed mid-season.

I wonder if there is some give-away to the Verstappens if the team has some long-term commitment from Max. To me it made sense to sign Sainz whether Max was here or not, unless Max's commitment came if Sainz didn't come.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

Those who say Max would destroy Alonso - wasn't Max/Red Bull the ones who refused Alonso while he was open to it? Or am I wrong?

Alonso also tried to join the dominant Merc alongside Hamilton, but they refused. It would be pointless to put two lions in the same cage. Alonso is so political that the team would become like Trump's election campaign. But maybe Alonso has softened through older days, who knows...

[f1isgood]

Those who say Max would destroy Alonso - wasn't Max/Red Bull the ones who refused Alonso while he was open to it? Or am I wrong?

Instead of fighting over who would destroy who, one thing everyone can agree on barring inherent biases is that Alonso is a very good driver and a definite and significant upgrade over Perez. That is what Red Bull want. Whoever wins or loses after that is fair game and irrelevant.

[f1isgood]

Those who say Max would destroy Alonso - wasn't Max/Red Bull the ones who refused Alonso while he was open to it? Or am I wrong?

Alonso also tried to join the dominant Merc alongside Hamilton, but they refused. It would be pointless to put two lions in the same cage. Alonso is so political that the team would become like Trump's election campaign. But maybe Alonso has softened through older days, who knows...

The team's top brass is fighting for control. Doubt Alonso can beat that. One side literally aired the dirty laundry of the other side to get Horner to back off. There's levels to this stuff. Alonso apparently only threatened to blackmail Dennis back in the day. Within Red Bull they did far worse things already. It's a disgusting bunch of people at the top on the anti-Horner side as well regardless of whatever people think about Horner.

[Vettel165]

Imagine the amazing feeling it would bring to the team and for the fans if Max wins the next 4 races after the summer break. Out of nowhere as Seb did in 2012 and 2013.

Highly unlikely I know, but I will never stop believing.

[Farnborough]

Imagine the amazing feeling it would bring to the team and for the fans if Max wins the next 4 races after the summer break. Out of nowhere as Seb did in 2012 and 2013.

Highly unlikely I know, but I will never stop believing.

They need a wing that flexes same as Mercedes to get into that performance area. Honestly surprised that's not causing more interest from reporting.

If that's passed as OK , they'll all have to follow suite in matching that structure in torsional response that side steps currently applied FIA testing hardware.

[Sergej]

If they win in Singapore I will eat my hat

Realistically I think we should prepare for a very difficult run, McLaren will even bring upgrades after the break.

[Paa]

If they win in Singapore I will eat my hat

Realistically I think we should prepare for a very difficult run, McLaren will even bring upgrades after the break.

Well, now it should be their round to fail with an upgrade so that might help RedBull!

[AR3-GP]

[AR3-GP]

Well, now it should be their round to fail with an upgrade so that might help RedBull!

Even if Mclaren has to roll back a future update, the old car is still good enough to beat Red Bull