Impressive.
One could think one of them is bringing some more drag to the table ..
chrisc90 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2023, 14:31Mega to pull 2 seconds in 6 corners and a straight and a half (at the finish line).
Just look at the overtake where Max got infront...
You can see the sheer increase in speed the RB gets when Max opens the DRS (the grid line just before HAM text in the chart title).
Then theres a 24kmh difference (DRS vs no DRS) when Lewis' car starts to recover....
Verstappen can then keep his foot in longer and by the time he lifts off to brake for the corner, theres a whopping 56kmh difference between them both.
Of course the speeds are much close using the following Lap (13), but it is a very interesting thing to see.
Personally I think the speed difference here is misleading. Ham was probably already on tyre preservation mode and was not pushing as hard and Max was just flooring it. As lap 13 showed the times were much more closer and probably representative of the actual performances.chrisc90 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 20:07I actually touched on the DRS speeds vs the Mercedes when Max overtakes Lewis. When Max hits the brakes the speed differential was HUGE.chrisc90 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2023, 14:31Mega to pull 2 seconds in 6 corners and a straight and a half (at the finish line).
Just look at the overtake where Max got infront...
You can see the sheer increase in speed the RB gets when Max opens the DRS (the grid line just before HAM text in the chart title).
Then theres a 24kmh difference (DRS vs no DRS) when Lewis' car starts to recover....
Verstappen can then keep his foot in longer and by the time he lifts off to brake for the corner, theres a whopping 56kmh difference between them both.
Of course the speeds are much close using the following Lap (13), but it is a very interesting thing to see.
25kph difference through turn 14 too, that has to be an element of lewis backing off to get completely out of Max' wake surely. What was Lewis minimum speed through 14 the following lap?chrisc90 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 20:07I actually touched on the DRS speeds vs the Mercedes when Max overtakes Lewis. When Max hits the brakes the speed differential was HUGE.chrisc90 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2023, 14:31Mega to pull 2 seconds in 6 corners and a straight and a half (at the finish line).
Just look at the overtake where Max got infront...
https://i.ibb.co/wKfx2Q7/aus1.jpg
You can see the sheer increase in speed the RB gets when Max opens the DRS (the grid line just before HAM text in the chart title).
Then theres a 24kmh difference (DRS vs no DRS) when Lewis' car starts to recover....
https://i.ibb.co/GV0hXbZ/aus2.jpg
Verstappen can then keep his foot in longer and by the time he lifts off to brake for the corner, theres a whopping 56kmh difference between them both.
Of course the speeds are much close using the following Lap (13), but it is a very interesting thing to see.
Not everyone who believes that the red flag(s) should not have been called thinks "it spoilt the show", for some the second one might have even added to the "show" aspect, the first one arguably did as well simply by maximazing the laps in racing conditions.Red Rock Mutley wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 11:11What constitutes unsafe conditions is a subjective decision made in the heat of the moment. That's why the rules give the race director a free hand because it's counterproductive to constrain them. They need to follow their gut instinct based on their experience. If they fear sanctions or repercussions of calling a red flag then it will inevitably lead to fewer red flags being called. Let's be honest, those saying the race should not have been stopped are saying "it spoilt the show"..... which is the last reason that should be on the race directors mind.
As soon as flexible material barriers are (even only slightly) damaged they hang out the red flag nowadays, it seems to me. They take zero risk with that. Seems a bit overdone. Maybe a liability issue?RZS10 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 21:11Not everyone who believes that the red flag(s) should not have been called thinks "it spoilt the show", for some the second one might have even added to the "show" aspect, the first one arguably did as well simply by maximazing the laps in racing conditions.Red Rock Mutley wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 11:11What constitutes unsafe conditions is a subjective decision made in the heat of the moment. That's why the rules give the race director a free hand because it's counterproductive to constrain them. They need to follow their gut instinct based on their experience. If they fear sanctions or repercussions of calling a red flag then it will inevitably lead to fewer red flags being called. Let's be honest, those saying the race should not have been stopped are saying "it spoilt the show"..... which is the last reason that should be on the race directors mind.
I tried to outline why the first one almost objectively did not satisfy the "unsafe conditions" aspect, a bit of gravel on the track with an cleared path is hardly unsafe and hasn't been categorized as such in previous years which leads to the problem of teams not knowing what to expect when there is an incident.
The track could have easily been cleared within 3 laps behind the SC by a few people with brooms - there is a safety car for a reason, it's not just there to lead the pack to the grid and bridge the one lap between racing and red flag conditions ... it's a tool race direction has at their disposal which should be utilized properly.
And all of our opinions aside, judging by their comments after and the team radio during the race the drivers could not understand why those situations lead to red flags and it's about their safety afterall.