2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Emag]

How on earth are all of you just taking this 4 tenths claim as gospel, even without any source given at all?

Is media literacy genuinely just dead as a concept nowadays? It's like 99% of people online are just pure reactionaries.

Also no, 4 tenths would not be enough to take the lead. That'd be lucky to even remain competitive on some tracks. People are really underestimating the gains that will be made. 2020 was supposed to be the last year of those regulations, yet we get 2021 added onto that and teams made bigger progress than just 4 tenths.

The source I think was corriere.it :

Le indiscrezioni sulla Ferrari

(Giorgio Terruzzi) È cominciato da un pezzo, invece, lo show delle fantasie e delle indiscrezioni attorno alla nuova macchina. Le notizie più accreditabili parlano di un lavoro specifico sulle sospensioni, primo territorio di intervento per il direttore tecnico Loic Serra, la cui esperienza in tema scarico di potenza sulle gomme è data come proverbiale. Obiettivo: eliminare la difficoltà, emersa soprattutto in qualifica, nel portare rapidamente in temperatura gli pneumatici. I test al simulatore raccontano — pare — un incremento di prestazione di circa 4 decimi. Molti, in un universo che gioca sui millesimi. Ma qui siamo in alto mare: tra le previsioni invernali e i confronti in pista passano sempre distanze enormi. Piuttosto, lo stile di guida della coppia Hamilton-Leclerc, descritto come simile, sembra abbia portato elementi utili allo sviluppo.

Also, I believe you're missremembering. The 2021 cars were much slower on average than 2020 cars because of the regulations related to the floor cutout. In general, development was pretty minimal, with pretty much every single team carrying over their concept. The token system also limited development significantly so teams had to choose carefully what exactly to develop.

So yeah, the 2021 cars had very minor differences compared to 2020. They got slower because the FIA cut off the floors and the pecking order changed primarily because the floor change benefited some concepts and hurt others. Also, Power Unit gains.

The differences were not minor. Teams made pretty big efforts to push their designs in 2021. They were not just some minor evolutions of the year before at all. That's the point. Overall laptimes/downforce numbers is not the point.

Getting off-topic now but you did say “more than 4 tenths progress”, when it fact it was not. The cars were all slower.

We can agree to disagree with the perceived amount of changes. The token system limited development. You can put all 2021 cars side-by-side with their 2020 counterparts and they’re visually not very different at all.

[deadhead]

Anyone remember what the track conditions were last year? Guessing same cold/gloomy deal as it will be tomorrow

Some cool videos here

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/media-cen ... 5-revealed

[Seanspeed]

Getting off-topic now but you did say “more than 4 tenths progress”, when it fact it was not. The cars were all slower.

We can agree to disagree with the perceived amount of changes. The token system limited development. You can put all 2021 cars side-by-side with their 2020 counterparts and they’re visually not very different at all.

I was clearly talking about relative scope improvements of the cars. Even at the time, it was pretty well understood that the top teams pushed a lot harder than almost anybody expected in their designs, despite being a year that literally wasn't even supposed to exist.

And we can put 2022 and 2023 cars side by side and similarly play dishonest about the differences not being big. Obviously when we're talking F1 and evolutions we're talking nuanced stuff.

And this year is really only proving my point - that even after some years, F1 teams will clearly have reasonable scope for improvements still. They aren't going to simply be like if they kept updating the same cars from least year. That was all I was trying to say. Ferrari's new car is proving that much like others have. These teams are still pushing.

[MTL79]

Getting back to a white rear wing is a big win for me... I like the livery even if I'm in the minority

[GTO99]

HP bringing back some Marlboro white vibes

Yes, good catch!
https://balconistasa.com/wp-content/upl ... EXT_04.jpg
Hopefully it will bring the good old 2000 era winning vibes.
I'm guessing HP sponsorship funds have increased significantly as a result of increasing from the blue HP logo to adding the white background.
Honestly, I don't think it's that bad.

[.poz]

Tifosi waiting in Fiorano

[zeroday]

LEC in the SF-25 waiving to the tifosi:

https://bsky.app/profile/f1guydan.bsky. ... jeezrkg224

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Is anyone on here any good at Photoshop?

I was looking at the livery and I wonder whether it would look better if the HP logo was lower down.... There's a lot of white stripe below the HP.... Maybe if it was more balanced it would look more aesthetically pleasing

And am I the only person who wishes they'd go back to gloss liveries, rather than all these matte one?

[jumpingfish]

And am I the only person who wishes they'd go back to gloss liveries, rather than all these matte one?

I also want the paint to be glossy, this matte finish looks pathetic.

Imagine SF-25 looks like this

[atanatizante]

This an Italian YT channel streaming live from the Fiorano circuit ... they said that LEC did a 56.9 s/lap on the 7th run with Pirelli demo tyres and 2 degrees Celsius ambient temperature .. they said that this time set is almost 1 s lower that the fastest lap time set on this track ...

[DJ Downforce]

How on earth are all of you just taking this 4 tenths claim as gospel, even without any source given at all?


Is media literacy genuinely just dead as a concept nowadays? It's like 99% of people online are just pure reactionaries.

Uhhhh that's quite an attack there.


I don't think people are taking it like the lord himself came and revealed it. Simply, people are evaluating the situation if it were true.

Also no, 4 tenths would not be enough to take the lead. That'd be lucky to even remain competitive on some tracks. People are really underestimating the gains that will be made. 2020 was supposed to be the last year of those regulations, yet we get 2021 added onto that and teams made bigger progress than just 4 tenths.

That's a bit of a disingenuous argument; we do not have any rule changes coming for the first race therefore we can't really compare it to the gains made in 2021.

I believe my reply about pure performance vs balance is going to be the biggest factor

[DJ Downforce]

This an Italian YT channel streaming live from the Fiorano circuit ... they said that LEC did a 56.9 s/lap on the 7th run with Pirelli demo tyres and 2 degrees Celsius ambient temperature .. they said that this time set is almost 1 s lower that the fastest lap time set on this track ...

I wouldn't trust lap times too much right now. Where did he hear this?

[Xyz22]

Biggest things to look for in the Bahrain test sessions will be the behaviour of the car in low/mid speed corners (the SF24 suffered from under rotation there) and one lap performance.

Leclerc was lapping around 56.5 according to people at the track (impossible to verify though)

[Cs98]

Biggest things to look for in the Bahrain test sessions will be the behaviour of the car in low/mid speed corners (the SF24 suffered of under rotation there) and one lap performance.

Leclerc was lapping around 56.5 according to people at the track (impossible to verify though)

Could be. According to Wikipedia the lap record is 55,9 from 2004, with Leclerc doing a 56,8 in 2024. But I doubt the timing is very accurate. Also track conditions differ, push level. Many variables.

[Emag]

Biggest things to look for in the Bahrain test sessions will be the behaviour of the car in low/mid speed corners (the SF24 suffered of under rotation there) and one lap performance.

Leclerc was lapping around 56.5 according to people at the track (impossible to verify though)

Could be. According to Wikipedia the lap record is 55,9 from 2004, with Leclerc doing a 56,8 in 2024. But I doubt the timing is very accurate. Also track conditions differ, push level. Many variables.

The colder it is, the faster the cars are, primarily because of the tires, but also power units work better with cooler air. One extreme example is the SF70H managing an 1.18:6 on the colder winter test at Spain, but only a 1.19:2 on qualifying with much higher temps (although to be fair, it was with a step harder tires, because the supersofts would probably be slower with the high summer temps)

Really important to look into the temperature differences between this year and last year, because if there are significant differences, you can't directly compare them at all.