Schumi deliberately blocks Monaco quali

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manchild
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Sawtooth-spike wrote:This season is turning into a farse
Front wing, Rear wing, Carbon ring, Monaco qualifying

Not bad so far 12 races to go! :roll:

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ist funy if shumi it the wall and damage the car nobody was complaning mr briatore is afraid of losing the championship evem if shumi it p2 and not p1 a chances of wining is the same

for exemlpe tiago monteiro lost 0.5seconds on is qual lap and did not procede to q2 beacause of rubens barrichelo and whe dont see nobofy puting proteste to fia

renaul is afraid and do not now who to lose ,, its time the now who to lose .whid dignity.

F1 ist for boy not for criybg babys ... if alonso put shumi out on lap 1 i will not complain it´s f1 and whe like this way

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manchild wrote:
Sawtooth-spike wrote:This season is turning into a farse
Front wing, Rear wing, Carbon ring, Monaco qualifying

Not bad so far 12 races to go! :roll:
It seems that the Ferrari team are so desparate to win this year they will do anything to get it.

Yes it is turning into a farce but rubber stamping what i have always thought of the prancing farce team

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Just to clarify something: I DO believe that Schmi cheat. BUT: I CANNOT PROVE IT. In 1997 he DID chear. BUT, when he hit Hill, the British media wanted to kill him. And the error was obviously on Hill's side. Correct Schumi could have wait for the next turn and pass him, but no one can blame a young guy eying his first championship!

Now, for today: The stewarts have all the necessary information. I do follow the Symonds comments, and I have to point out somthing that no one else said. 2004, GB GP. (F1net.gr has a brief mention on the subject, but it's Greek to you!) The rain was to follow. Schumi made a very impressive spun. No one could believe that Schumacher did such a mistake.

After qual Ferrari admitted that the made it deliberatelly. So, Schumacher is fully capable to do such things as cheating and still on one could understanf him. So, I simply cannot believe that he made such a HUGE error in judgement and made that deliberately.

As for FIsico-Coulthard, I do not know about the later, but Fisi blocked David... Simple.
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This season is turning out the most interesting for a while. We don't have major championship batttles anymore (not like we used to) so instead the action has turned political.
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BUT, when he hit Hill, the British media wanted to kill him. And the error was obviously on Hill's side. Correct Schumi could have wait for the next turn and pass him, but no one can blame a young guy eying his first championship!
Hold the phone tpe!
Schumacher was no newer to F1 than Hill, and if he was, it certainly wasn't by much.
you seem to be thinking that Schumi was passing Hill, it was the other way round, Schumacher had already damaged his car, and Hill was just about to overtake perfectly normally, admittedly, he locked his brakes slightly on the way in, but Schumi should have been much further away, if Hill hadn't done that, the collision wouldn't have been as big for Schumacher, but he probably would forced Hill into the wall. Schumi was basically turning in to the corner as if there was no-one there.

Had Hill got by, there was no way Schumacher would've got back passed him after that bump into the wall that started it all.


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Oh yeh, Tom, DC and Fisi aren't being investigated as such. But DC was apparantly 'pissed-off' with 9th as he reckons he could've come higher if Fisi hadn't got in his way. Fisi was called to see the stewards afterwards, I don't know what the result is/will be.

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I watched that race, and it's a fact Shu wrecked himself and Hill out of the race. Period.
But let's put all this into perspective, because although Shu has done this, he wasn't the first, and definitely wasn't the only person to stoop to unethical driving. Get over it, s--t happens.
I would like to point out two other blatant examples of a driver taking another out to secure the title. In the 1989 Japanese GP at Suzaka, Senna tried to pass Prost, only to have Prost run into him, and secure the title for Alain. The very next year, and the same Japanese GP, Senna paid Prost back by doing to Alain what was done to him the year before. Sennna later admitted he did it on purpose. Payback.
Racing is political, Formula One is all about big money and huge egos. Cheating and unethical behaviour has been around since day one of motor racing, and it always will be. We may not like it, but let's recognize who does what, accept the truth, get over it, and watch the racing.

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Like most of you, I too, was not too happy to see him do that. And while I know that my words may sound a little naive to you guys, now I'm beginning to think that it was not (necessarily) planned...it looks as though it was an honest mistake, (albeit, one Schumacher might've been able to recover from) which he chose to exploit.

Clearly, he too was on a flying lap. But then, it all fell appart when he got to the Rascasse. It is obvious that, at that point, his two right wheels were not on "the line". This is what should be debated. Did he take that line on purpose of was it a mistake...because, you could see him trying to steer towards the "right line" just shortly before he locked up.

Coming in at that speed, and that angle, tires locked-up and keeping in mind that it is a very tight corner, I think that it is going to be very hard for us to prove that his actions were deliberate. I can't wait to hear what comes out of this.

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I don't think that Prosts move was deliberate, over optimistic but calculated never the less, and he was assuming that Senna had seen him and wouldn't try to take the corner like he did.
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Within minutes of the end of qualifying for the Monaco Grand Prix, there were rumblings in the paddock that a number of the F1 drivers are so unahppy about what happened to Michael Schumacher that the Grand Prix Drivers' Association is going to demand Schumacher's resignation from the board of directors of the organisation because they consider his manoeuvre at Rascasse to have been unsporting and detrimental to the image of the sport.
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns16891.html

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DaveKillens wrote: Racing is political, Formula One is all about big money and huge egos. Cheating and unethical behaviour has been around since day one of motor racing, and it always will be. We may not like it, but let's recognize who does what, accept the truth, get over it, and watch the racing.
To suggest that we should accept this and, "get over it..." is silly. Clearly, when one is caught cheating, he must face consequences. I hope they can prove what happened in this incident. I'm a Ferrari/Schumacher fan, but less so now.

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A little observation: back in 1994 and 1997, live F1 coverage wasn't as common as it is now. Likewise, I'm sure back in 97 there were almost no F1 bulletin boards with smartypants members. :D

This time around his actions will be much more open to public scrutiny. There's no escaping the court of public opinion.

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well if he gets away from this i am sure other teams can add "incidents" to there strategy too.

I keep looking at the footage, and it look odd. With all his faults Schumy is an Exceptional driver and normaly he would of taken another bite at the corner and made it around. This time he did not do it, Its very strange indeed.

Think your right about ferrari doing anything to win this year, cus they are taking alot of risks with the rules this year. I would just love to know if somebody else did it weather they would get away with it.
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Principessa; Where is DC on your 'who will win Monaco' pole?

I wouldn't be bothered but this week he seriously has a chance.
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Wurz mingles in the dispute
:arrow: http://www.f1technical.net/news/3097

Never knew that Raikkonen could be funny :P
:arrow: http://www.f1technical.net/news/3099

To tom: That is for in the Monaco GP topic I think :wink: ! And nobody expected Coulthard there before the race: right or wrong?