2008 Japanese GP

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Congratulation to Fernando and his team once again! =D>

The pace of Renault is indeed spectacular for a season end! :shock: They are now something like one or two tenth away from Ferrari in the last two races, possibly on the same level (if not quicker) than Mac Laren, while those two teams are the most active ones in term of late development! My guess is that the R28 was a very good basis, but needed to overcome some retard in its planned development (by gaining some time by making sacrifice on the Monza spec for instance).

Sadly, I fear there will be lots of Ferrari and Mac Laren trolling after this GP since both team made some controversial moves. Hamilton's start was a shame and clearly deserved a penalty, and Massa's mistake on him needed to be adressed by a penalty too. I sincerly do not think that Massa made a shuey on Hamilton, he just tried too much and ended braking on the grass, which provoked the contact. But for sure his reaction then is not very good, and he is still under investigation for colliding with Bourdais (that move was clumsy) and possibly may have troubles for going over the pit exit lane with Webber. That's what is called asking for problems IMO. I hope the stewards wont decide to take some penalty for the next race, as the championnship would suffer a lot from that.

I didn't understand what happened between Nakajima & Coulthard at the start. At first it seemed like Naka had hit DC, but on the replay I think I saw DC went sideway before the williams hit him.
I knew Williams would suffer on such aero demanding circuit, but seing Rosberg fight with Fisichella was rather disapointing... Let hope 2009 will be better.

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Can someone tell me what happened to Lewis in the first couple of laps that caused him to fall to P17? I missed the first 10 laps of the race. And it's as if he weren't pushing anymore. I'm a Mclaren and Lewis fan, but I did not like what he did to Alonso on the last lap. He did that intentionally? I don't know. I just wish they get their act together for the last 2 races. Poor Heikki blew up his engine. Could have finished 3rd. I don't like Alonso but I was amazed of his form: A true champion. And Kimi got it all correct at this race. Very tight championship this year.

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shotzski wrote:Can someone tell me what happened to Lewis in the first couple of laps that caused him to fall to P17? I missed the first 10 laps of the race. And it's as if he weren't pushing anymore. I'm a Mclaren and Lewis fan, but I did not like what he did to Alonso on the last lap. He did that intentionally? I don't know. I just wish they get their act together for the last 2 races. Poor Heikki blew up his engine. Could have finished 3rd. I don't like Alonso but I was amazed of his form: A true champion. And Kimi got it all correct at this race. Very tight championship this year.
Lewis drove off the course on the first corner and lost some places then was hit later in the lap by Massa and spun around in a position where he had to wait for traffic to pass before returning to the race.

While I'm not a Hamilton fan what he did on the last lap was perfectly reasonable as he wanted to un-lap himself in the event of a retirement.

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While I'm not a Hamilton fan what he did on the last lap was perfectly reasonable as he wanted to un-lap himself in the event of a retirement.
Ow so that's the reason why he was pushing. Stupid commentator flame baiting on TV, saying Lewis's egotistical move on Alonso hehe Thanks for clearing that one up :D

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vyselegend wrote:I knew Williams would suffer on such aero demanding circuit, but seing Rosberg fight with Fisichella was rather disapointing...
Fisichella whose aero was ruined by the broken off nosecone!
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Yes I saw that. Though we saw in the past such losses don't necessary affect top speed.

There's already a vid of the Felipe/Lewis clash, those guys are fast to put the stuff online!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5XE_4aj ... ,6143.html[/youtube]

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shotzski wrote:
While I'm not a Hamilton fan what he did on the last lap was perfectly reasonable as he wanted to un-lap himself in the event of a retirement.
Ow so that's the reason why he was pushing. Stupid commentator flame baiting on TV, saying Lewis's egotistical move on Alonso hehe Thanks for clearing that one up :D
Strange how Brundle described it as "not as crazy as it looked". And it's not the first time we've seen that happen.

Criticise him for the first corner incident - he did suffer from brain fade and paid an incredibly high price for it overall - but not for unlapping himself at the end there.

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Surely Alonso has excellent race pace in both Singapore and Japan GPs, but you cannot deny that luck plays a factor in both of his race victories (safety car in Singapore, 1st corner incident in Japan). If the race unfolds itself in a normal way (Ferrari and McLaren pulling away from the start), Ferrari or McLaren might have won the GPs.

For several races in a row, Ferrari has targeted that both cars must finish in top two in the remaining races to keep up the championship battles. And yet, even with one of fastest cars on track, Ferrari just does not have the luck to win the races and it is costing them dearly in the championship battles. Sigh :cry: :cry:

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Massa moves up to seventh place as Bourdais gets 25-sec penalty from their 1st corner tussle.


...and here comes the God of Racing's bandwagon... :lol:
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shir0 wrote:Massa moves up to seventh place as Bourdais gets 25-sec penalty from their 1st corner tussle.
What a joke - yet another stupid stupid decision from the stewards. What the hell is Bourdais supposed to have done - he exits the pits, is racing Massa for position, and Massa just turns into him.

They really do expect every other car on the circuit to just leap out the way of the Ferrari's.

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This is ridiculous.
Massa should have gotten that penalty. not Bourdais.
COMPLETELY BULLS**T.

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I dont know what is wrong with the fia, i guess there is a rule that doesnt allow overtaking. Massa hits Hamilton on purpose and wins by that 5 places. Hamilton is in a same situation in belgium and is avoiding a collision but gets 25 seconds penalty.
if massa wins the championship he wouldnt deserve it as he got enough help by the fia to win it.
Massa gets a low penalty for hitting hamilton on purpose wich was clear.
Now hamilton knows what he gotta do in the next 2 races, just eliminate himself and massa then he is world champion.
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Well wesley, I agree that stewards have clearly lost their clear sights. One could argue (and agree) with the drive-through that was handed to massa for the chicane incident, but frankly anything that happened in the first corner was just part of racing. Some profit and some lose from others' mistakes. Any penalties there are just ridiculous.

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Poor Bourdais! I can't believe they've unjustly punished him AGAIN.

I expect he didn't even know Massa was there till he got to the corner! And where is he supposed to go in a BATTLE FOR POSITION!

Lewis, oh dear god, what was he thinking at the start...oh well the damage, despite the stewards isn't a disaster...

Fernando and Kubica, excellent drives.
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freedom_honda wrote:This is ridiculous.
Massa should have gotten that penalty. not Bourdais.
COMPLETELY BULLS**T.
I can't agree more!

:shock:

I simply cannot believe the stewards can hand Bourdais the penalty for what Massa did!

Complete BS again from the stewards.. Not only this race did they invent a penalty for forcing someone off the race track, they now hand out a penalty to someone who was doing nothing wrong!

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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