Turkey GP 2009 - Istanbul Park

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scarbs wrote:From what I hear and what the Press releases said here is some of what we can expect from the cars in turkey.


Brawn
Ross said “A new front wing”, which I hear is expected to dispense with the strakes on the nose cone and Ross also mentioned “new rear suspension elements”. BTW Brawn have been running Sachs rotary dampers, These have been tried and dropped By Ferrari and Spyker in the past, as they haven’t provided enough damping control in low speed turns. But Brawn Monaco proved they have got good low speed pace out of them.

Ferrari
Dominicali said they “have a small step with the car”, I think this might not even be a visual change. After the strategic and driver problems in Spain clouded their true fast track pace, we should see if they have found their pace this weekend.

McLaren
Whitmarsh said “Minor upgrades” Everyone agrees the Mac should be as terrible around Turkey as it was in Spain, let’s see if that proves right. Race competitiveness should be better than qualifying.

BMW
Rampf said they will have the “double diffuser”, as we saw in Spain they have already modified the rear end to accommodate it. There’s been no mention of a return to KERS. Plus Rampf added “modifications to the front wings, side bargeboards, rim shields and the rear part of the engine cover”. This update needs to finish off the near B-spec of the Spanish update, to provide the team with the same boost Ferraris Spanish step.

Renault
Symonds said ”Front wing changes and suspension changes”. These suspension changes will not the geometry but the way the car is set up. After their boost in China and Spain, might see a strong performance in turkey, but they still seem a little lost this year.

Toyota
No mention of any updates, but Howett admitted they struggle with traction and straight-line tests have helped them. This won’t be good for the last sequence of turns ahead of the start\finish straight in Turkey.

Red Bull Tech
Essentially be in the same specification as in Monaco, with a few minor aero updates. The cars propensity to wear its tyres out, might hinder their race pace. Much Like McLaren in recent years the front weight bias might overstress the fronts too.

Williams
No mention of any updates. Head mentioned the 35Kg electric\flywheel KERS being the size of a toilet roll! If the Flybrid flywheel-only solution come in at less than 25Kg with 5Kg of that being the flywheel it makes you wonder what Williams are making it out of!

Force India
Mallya said “new front wheel spinners and a small modification for the rear suspension, plus the rear wing we ran in Monaco will also undergo some slight changes to suit the downforce level in Istanbul” with the big update due for Silverstone.
Just to add to that, Howett said that they are bringing new parts every race, and lots of new parts in the upcoming races. We can then assume that some undisclosed new parts will be on the Toyotas in Turkey.

You're right, Howett did admit low-speed traction issues, something which Toyota knows about, and something that has been observed particularly since Barcelona. Toyota now says they know what the problem is and are working in the tunnels on a solution.

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Pics:

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BMW Sauber:
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Toyota?:
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Wet race posibilities????

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New front wings for Force India and Brawn on show

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Scarbs, do you know the difference in downforce levels between the Barcelona-spec cars and the ones they took to Monaco? They really didn't look like they were running any more wing...
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PNSD
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Brawn running one-less wing plain.

They said they were introducing elements to help with their high-speed deficiencys. I would have thought a 3plain front wing would be better than 2 plains in that case. It is looking very Ferrari like aswell ;-)!

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PNSD wrote:Brawn running one-less wing plain.

They said they were introducing elements to help with their high-speed deficiencys. I would have thought a 3plain front wing would be better than 2 plains in that case. It is looking very Ferrari like aswell ;-)!

High speed deficiency could be too much drag just as much as it could be lack of high speed downforce

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Some more pics;

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Ferarri:
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Toyota:
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BMW Sauber:
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ISLAMATRON wrote:
PNSD wrote:Brawn running one-less wing plain.

They said they were introducing elements to help with their high-speed deficiencys. I would have thought a 3plain front wing would be better than 2 plains in that case. It is looking very Ferrari like aswell ;-)!

High speed deficiency could be too much drag just as much as it could be lack of high speed downforce
High speed turns is the impression I got from Brawn.

But then thinking about it, the rear suspension updates could better help that, and the front wing maybe just something better suited to this track rather than the old.

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or maybe they decided to use 1 big adjustable plane for the super long straight section

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ISLAMATRON wrote:or maybe they decided to use 1 big adjustable plane for the super long straight section
That's probably most likely. They had only that small triangle section being adjusted and now the whole flap moves.

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Who makes you say that the brawns front wing is fuly made, maybe the third flap isnt on? Behind you see the 3 plane front wing attached tot the car.

3 plane or 2, the front wing is new, the triangle is gone and replaced by lengthned plane/planes wich also makes the 2nd flap fully movable, instead of only the triangle.
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wesley123 wrote:Who makes you say that the brawns front wing is fuly made, maybe the third flap isnt on? Behind you see the 3 plane front wing attached tot the car.

3 plane or 2, the front wing is new, the triangle is gone and replaced by lengthned plane/planes wich also makes the 2nd flap fully movable, instead of only the triangle.
because that 1 big flap is much bigger than either of the 2 old flaps... and you are only allowed so much flap surface area as per the rules.

those 2 wings on the stands could just be test peices for a future low DF GP like silverstone or Monza.

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vasia wrote:
scarbs wrote:From what I hear and what the Press releases said here is some of what we can expect from the cars in turkey.


Brawn
Ferrari
McLaren
BMW
Renault
Toyota
Red Bull Tech
Williams
Force India
Just to add to that, Howett said .... Toyota
Thnkas guys for two really good posts based on quoted fact and substance =D>

So much better than the random conjecture and guessses we sometimes get.

Thank you again!!! :D

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mclaren third in ranking? How come, I would switch rbr with mclaren if I were you.
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De Jokke wrote:mclaren third in ranking? How come, I would switch rbr with mclaren if I were you.
It is not ranking. It is merely a list.