Canadian GP 2011 - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

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spinmastermic wrote:
Giblet wrote:Sometimes when I need go faster, I slow down, and my lap times increase. Lewis needs to listen to what DC just said.
And how many championships did DC win?
You don't need a championship to be able to state a truism.

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flynfrog wrote:
spinmastermic wrote:
Giblet wrote:Sometimes when I need go faster, I slow down, and my lap times increase. Lewis needs to listen to what DC just said.
And how many championships did DC win?
how many did hammy throw away with stupid moves?
none
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Patience for what exactly? He had a clear opportunity to overtake Button, but all overtakes require the other car to give room. What Button did, albeit accidentally, was similar to Schumacher forcing Barrichello up against the pit wall. Hamilton had clear opportunity, had the car alongside, but the other driver squeezed him off the track.

The problem with calling for more patience is that often the opportunity to pass will just pass you by. Look at Button in Monaco. He was patient and ended up third instead of challenging for the win. Many drivers will do well just playing the numbers like that, look at Nick Heidfeld for example. However you won't be world champion driving like that unless you have by far the best car, something Lewis doesn't have the luxury of having this year.
I have to say that Monaco is a poor example of favoring passion over patience. A wet Circuit Gilles Villeneuve has a few more overtaking opportunities than Monaco and Button/McLaren made a decision to wait for Vettel's tires to fail and a red flag incident saved Red Bull's bacon. Lewis Hamilton seemed to have a competitive setup for the race today and was lucky to avoid a race-ending collision with Webber and Schumacher so to push his luck going around the outside of his teammate and expect Button not to use his one legal blocking move was too optimistic. I am all for taking chances but you have to calculate risk and in my humble opinion Hamilton should have lifted and waited for a better opportunity when Button would have had no doubt where his teammate was.

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Giblet wrote:This is where Kimi would get some ice cream
I wonder if they will deliver some to my room

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spinmastermic wrote:
Giblet wrote:Sometimes when I need go faster, I slow down, and my lap times increase. Lewis needs to listen to what DC just said.
And how many championships did DC win?
"To go faster sometimes you have to slow down" is a common racing saying and just means "stop overdriving".
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flynfrog wrote:
spinmastermic wrote:And how many championships did DC win?
how many did hammy throw away with stupid moves?
Just to pack up spinmaster... until this year, DC was actually the single most successful british driver in terms of points in F1... He had plenty of opportunity, just never put it together into a full championship.

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Holy crap that Mercedes/ redbull commercial was awesome

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Giblet wrote:
spinmastermic wrote:
Giblet wrote:Sometimes when I need go faster, I slow down, and my lap times increase. Lewis needs to listen to what DC just said.
And how many championships did DC win?
"To go faster sometimes you have to slow down" is a common racing saying and just means "stop overdriving".
also you cant win the race on the first lap but you can lose it.

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I am curios how always Mercedes ends up with the worst strategy. Kobayashi 2nd, Mercedes 11th and 12th !

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flynfrog wrote:Holy crap that Mercedes/ redbull commercial was awesome
Where did you see that?
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."~William Shakespeare

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ringo wrote: Button saw him from exiting the turn. I think Button, normally a weak deffender, just tried too hard to be a tough guy.
He moved twice, and ended his teammates race.

There is no excuse here. Shumacher (as good example, for a second race in a row!)
Did the proper thing, though it was more agressive.
Button knew he was there and he juked out of anger that he would be overtaken twice.
That was not a double move. They exit on the right from the last corner and then go far left to take the fast corner on the start-finish straight. it's the racing line. Button was in front and had full right of using it, Hamilton was again, or as usual, too optimistic.

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LionKing wrote:I am curios how always Mercedes ends up with the worst strategy. Kobayashi 2nd, Mercedes 11th and 12th !
But they do have the best cover over their cars!

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LionKing wrote:I am curios how always Mercedes ends up with the worst strategy. Kobayashi 2nd, Mercedes 11th and 12th !
they haven't been that good all year on strategy

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LionKing wrote:I am curios how always Mercedes ends up with the worst strategy.
They learn from Ferrari.

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Morteza AMG wrote:
flynfrog wrote:Holy crap that Mercedes/ redbull commercial was awesome
Where did you see that?
it was on FOX. Had Shu and Nico sitting at a restaurant and the waiter brings over a redbull.