Lewis Hamilton has won the Chinese Grand Prix at Shanghai thanks to a better race strategy and a working KERS device. Sebastian Vettel struggled to the end and came in second while his teammate Mark Webber ended up in third place after starting from 18th position.
It was a mistake, he said so after the race. Move on.andrew wrote:It cost Vettel time too but I am just trying to look at it frm both sides.
I'm not trying to start a conspiracy theory and I want to believe it was an honest mistake. I am certainly not baiting either. It's just that it was so unusual I can't really understand that kind of mistake and have never seen that before.Just_a_fan wrote:It was a mistake, he said so after the race. Move on.andrew wrote:It cost Vettel time too but I am just trying to look at it frm both sides.
Unless you're actively trying to start a conspiracy theory ying-yang slanging match. You do know that someone will bite at some point if you keep saying it, don't you...?
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But his name not "McLaren"murtoidf1 wrote:Shouldnt Ferrari be getting a penalty for that DRS?
That's not to say that honest mistakes aren't punishable too by F1 rules. Where's the outcry for Button to get a penalty? If it was Hamilton, some people here would be foaming at the mouth.Giblet wrote:It was a mistake, to consider anything else would be lunacy. it cost Jenson time. Why suggest otherwise? It's just not common sense that he would something so stupid on purpose.
It's unusual but not unique. We've had a Torro Rosso pulling into a Red Bull pit box before only to be waved through.andrew wrote:I'm not trying to start a conspiracy theory and I want to believe it was an honest mistake. I am certainly not baiting either. It's just that it was so unusual I can't really understand that kind of mistake and have never seen that before.
+1. This race day 3-stop was definitely fastest. I think if Vettel had done a 3-stopper he would at LEAST have gotten 2nd (given Button's slight brainfade) and maybe his fresher tyres would've let him go a bit quicker and hold off Hamilton.myurr wrote:I think what tripped both Vettel and the Ferrari's up is that the hard tyre is really weak. It's slower than the option and has higher degradation, so making that final stint work is really difficult. So for the three stoppers they were able to use the extra set of options to give them more pace in the final stint on newer tyres that are constantly falling away from the drivers.
Webber made up so much ground because he got that hard tyre out of the way in the first stint, where he made hardly any progress against much much slower cars. That then freed him up to attack on three brand new sets of options in the final stints, which are by far the better race tyre.
That would be Abu Dhabi 2009myurr wrote:It's unusual but not unique. We've had a Torro Rosso pulling into a Red Bull pit box before only to be waved through.andrew wrote:I'm not trying to start a conspiracy theory and I want to believe it was an honest mistake. I am certainly not baiting either. It's just that it was so unusual I can't really understand that kind of mistake and have never seen that before.
Exactly. Hard tyre has been teh fail so far in every race. It's much slower and doesn't seem to last any longer than the soft. Why is it called hard then?myurr wrote:I think what tripped both Vettel and the Ferrari's up is that the hard tyre is really weak. It's slower than the option and has higher degradation, so making that final stint work is really difficult. So for the three stoppers they were able to use the extra set of options to give them more pace in the final stint on newer tyres that are constantly falling away from the drivers.
Webber made up so much ground because he got that hard tyre out of the way in the first stint, where he made hardly any progress against much much slower cars. That then freed him up to attack on three brand new sets of options in the final stints, which are by far the better race tyre.
If there was no foul then there is no penalty. I don't think Vettel was close enough to loose a significant amount of time and Button was the big looser fromt the pitstop anyway. If red Bull wanted to make an issue of it, it would have been done by now.komninosm wrote:That's not to say that honest mistakes aren't punishable too by F1 rules. Where's the outcry for Button to get a penalty? If it was Hamilton, some people here would be foaming at the mouth.
I vaguely recall Alesi (I think) doing something similar in the Prost after he had driven for Sauber. It's just there are so many differences between the McLaren box and the Red Bull box I just find it bizzare! Bit concerning that kind of brain fade during a race by an experienced driver.myurr wrote:It's unusual but not unique. We've had a Torro Rosso pulling into a Red Bull pit box before only to be waved through.
Yes, but Torro Rosso is Red Bull in Spanish ;pmyurr wrote:It's unusual but not unique. We've had a Torro Rosso pulling into a Red Bull pit box before only to be waved through.andrew wrote:I'm not trying to start a conspiracy theory and I want to believe it was an honest mistake. I am certainly not baiting either. It's just that it was so unusual I can't really understand that kind of mistake and have never seen that before.
