2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[Luscion]

Fast on the straight and absolutely nothing in the corners…not ideal.

Feels like the early part of the season again. In terms of times.

They're losing so much time in the corners, it seems like a tire temperature issue for both

Bono:“Nine tenths to Leclerc. Four and a half tenths sector one, nearly six tenths in the middle, purple in the final by a tenth and a half.”

In contrast to RUS, on Sky F1, the lady who was a strategist back in the day said that in Q3 the track temp dropped massively (some 5 degrees Celsius) which means that due to HAM`s slightly lower DF setup couldn`t get enough heat into the front tyres hence missed their optimal operation window ...

Could be the cause, he qualified ahead of Russell in Q1 then as the track temps dropped he was miles off.


Lewis is also saying its 100% a tire temp issue and he could have been in the second row

[dialtone]

Had a look at the onboard.

It's at the start of Russell's first soft flying lap after their medium runs.

GR is approaching T2 about 3-4 seconds behind Sainz who went straight on into the run-off. The yellow looks like it came out right as George came into the braking zone. His engineer advised him it was a single yellow meaning he could keep pushing at the green flag.

Could go either way.

Found this on Twitter https://x.com/russellius/status/1834980105673683090

I think the incident is at turn 16. When Russell is opening his lap. It ties in with the 16:10 on the marshalling system too.

He's waving the car, what exactly are the stewards looking for?

[Matt2725]

Had a look at the onboard.

It's at the start of Russell's first soft flying lap after their medium runs.

GR is approaching T2 about 3-4 seconds behind Sainz who went straight on into the run-off. The yellow looks like it came out right as George came into the braking zone. His engineer advised him it was a single yellow meaning he could keep pushing at the green flag.

Could go either way.

Found this on Twitter https://x.com/russellius/status/1834980105673683090

I think the incident is at turn 16. When Russell is opening his lap. It ties in with the 16:10 on the marshalling system too.

That's a white flag no?

Even so it went out before he reached the flag board. Also he would have been at T2 within 30 seconds.

[chrisc90]

Its yellow, it ties in with the marshalling data.

YELLOW IN TRACK SECTOR 3
14 Sept 2024, 16:10:54

Im not sure when drivers are meant to slow down, whether its in advance of the boards or in line with them. Normally you slow down in advance of the incident (in this case - the light board)

[Matt2725]

Its yellow, it ties in with the marshalling data.

YELLOW IN TRACK SECTOR 3
14 Sept 2024, 16:10:54

Im not sure when drivers are meant to slow down, whether its in advance of the boards or in line with them. Normally you slow down in advance of the incident (in this case - the light board)

Track sector 3 is turn 2.

They divide the track into mini-sectors between marshal posts. Also did a track map check.



Also this was the moment the yellow came out. Russell couldn't do anything to slow in time.

[chrisc90]

Yeah you could be right there.

Have to see what the stewards report, would be harsh looking at the onboard if it is indeed turn 2

[Matt2725]

Noted it went double yellow after 6 seconds, but looks like George was already in the next track sector by that point.

[Tonino]

Driving reprimand for George, he stays P5

Reasoning given was Sainz was in the Turn 2 run-off and went in there with George behind and committed to his braking, so GR could slow no more. Counts as a mitigating factor. George was guilty of accelerating normally as he could see the green after T2 though

[Waz]

George has a champion mentality. Just go for it and figure out any shady stuff later

[AR3-GP]

Driving reprimand for George, he stays P5

Reasoning given was Sainz was in the Turn 2 run-off and went in there with George behind and committed to his braking, so GR could slow no more. Counts as a mitigating factor. George was guilty of accelerating normally as he could see the green after T2 though

I don't mind either way and he may have gotten it past the stewards, but the mentality in this sport is broken. When you see a car stopped, you slow. It doesn't matter if there are flags or not. It's out of respect and to avoid unnecessarily endangering the lives of your colleagues. You should not need a flag to tell you that when you can SEE the car. This kind of thinking should come first, but unfortunately it has never been the case in Formula 1. Until something goes wrong, they won't learn.

I respect that Norris backed off when he saw the Alpine. It was the respectful thing to do. Don't take a human life for granted. Stopped and slow moving F1 cars are the most dangerous obstacles on the track. Some of the worst accidents that motorsport has ever seen come when two cars moving at a great difference of speed collide.

[Chuckjr]

I don't understand this car. Is the problem now more than just the floor?

It's politics.

Its tough for me to really believe that after finishing P3 last year while his team mate languished in P8 that all of a sudden in 2024 Lewis doesnt know what makes an F1 car of any kind go fast, SPECIFICALLY on a saturday.

He can go fast in P1. He can go fast in P2. He can go fast in P3. He can go fast in the race. Just not in qualifying.

Not buying it.

All of a sudden Merc doesnt know how to warm hisntyres tonthe correct temps before he leaves the garage?

Not buying it.

And that he only knows how to win on weekends where rain affected sessions gives him an advantage (spa quali, silvestone rain end of first stint)?

Not buying it.

And its just a coincidenc e that if notbfor being unable to gonfast on saturdays people would be questioning George Russels position in the team after another low finish in the WDC?

Not buying it.

Being "managed" out of a team is nothing new.

Edit: He just said in an interview that his car was amazing yesterday, then today 'all of a suddden thw tyres dont work all day', with a smile on his face.

Its clear enough for me.

King size cope.

[Luscion]

Lewis is going to start from the pitlane after taking a new engine and team changing his suspension set up

[Formula 1 fan 1996]

Does anyone know the exact reason for the suspension and engine change?

[Dunlay]

Worst case scenario, Lewis can get 8th despite his pit lane start. Anything more than that would be a good performance if there are no crashes or DNFs. There would be a certain SC car at some point and if that plays to his advantage, certainly a top 6 finish would be on the cards.

On the funnier side, imagine if George wins. Floods.

[Luscion]

Does anyone know the exact reason for the suspension and engine change?

If i had to guess, they decided to do set up changes after Lewis was complaining about not being able to get heat into the tires, He's giving up P7 for a pitlane start so they must have found a big enough improvement to justify it and since a setup change under parc ferme is an automatic pit lane start they probably decided to just take the engine penalty here too.