2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

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They are still understaffed compared to the other top teams so that gives them some leeway.

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But to get these people onboard AM had/has to pay considerably more than the previous teams. There were some reports that AM's offers are pretty big.

So, will it be a disadvantage at some point to get them onboard and not being able to operate on the same staff size as other teams?

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lio007 wrote:
09 Sep 2024, 21:36
But to get these people onboard AM had/has to pay considerably more than the previous teams. There were some reports that AM's offers are pretty big.

So, will it be a disadvantage at some point to get them onboard and not being able to operate on the same staff size as other teams?
They just offered them promotions. Cardile was a TD at Ferrari, is now CTO, Fallows was head of aero at RBR is TD at AMR, Newey almost GOD at RBR -> GOD at AMR, etc etc etc.

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diffuser wrote:
09 Sep 2024, 22:39
lio007 wrote:
09 Sep 2024, 21:36
But to get these people onboard AM had/has to pay considerably more than the previous teams. There were some reports that AM's offers are pretty big.

So, will it be a disadvantage at some point to get them onboard and not being able to operate on the same staff size as other teams?
They just offered them promotions. Cardile was a TD at Ferrari, is now CTO, Fallows was head of aero at RBR is TD at AMR, Newey almost GOD at RBR -> GOD at AMR, etc etc etc.
Cardile's salary at AM is rumoured to be 5-6 times larger than what he had at Ferrari. I don't think it was just promotion

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KimiRai wrote:
09 Sep 2024, 22:50
diffuser wrote:
09 Sep 2024, 22:39
lio007 wrote:
09 Sep 2024, 21:36
But to get these people onboard AM had/has to pay considerably more than the previous teams. There were some reports that AM's offers are pretty big.

So, will it be a disadvantage at some point to get them onboard and not being able to operate on the same staff size as other teams?
They just offered them promotions. Cardile was a TD at Ferrari, is now CTO, Fallows was head of aero at RBR is TD at AMR, Newey almost GOD at RBR -> GOD at AMR, etc etc etc.
Cardile's salary at AM is rumoured to be 5-6 times larger than what he had at Ferrari. I don't think it was just promotion :lol:
Yeah some of these guys had other teams interested in them too. AM has generally outbid them for their services. I forgot to mention Andrew Green in there as well.

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Expected announcement at 1100 BST from the official YouTube


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peewon wrote:
09 Sep 2024, 23:01
KimiRai wrote:
09 Sep 2024, 22:50
diffuser wrote:
09 Sep 2024, 22:39


They just offered them promotions. Cardile was a TD at Ferrari, is now CTO, Fallows was head of aero at RBR is TD at AMR, Newey almost GOD at RBR -> GOD at AMR, etc etc etc.
Cardile's salary at AM is rumoured to be 5-6 times larger than what he had at Ferrari. I don't think it was just promotion :lol:
Yeah some of these guys had other teams interested in them too. AM has generally outbid them for their services. I forgot to mention Andrew Green in there as well.
Math don't lie.

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i cant sleep
the dream is becoming true

newey + alonso
my inner child is crying

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i think mark hughes (if i remember correctly) has reported that the bulk of neweys salary will be paid in equity in the team. if thats the case, it wont be showing up under the cost cap, unless the FIA make some changes in the rules. i would be surprised if hes the only one of their new acquisitions that are being paid like that.

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If it is really a full time role what will they call it? CTO, TD, everything "normal" at the top is already taken

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TP seems the most appropriate in my view. An outright full command over the team, while CEO is busy with financial stuff and CTO is taking care of methods and processes in RnD
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

#DwarvesAreNaturalSprinters
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Schmidt described Newey (according to guys who worked with him) not as an organizer (therefore they have Wache at RBR) but simply as a pure old school car designer, who is sometimes even a bit chaotic. For sure no TP.

I think it doesn't matter how they name his position. If he is directly employeed by AMR or if he has a contract over his own company with AMR (he can have veto power for certain technical things with every contract). Important is that he can unleash his potential and therefore he needs the right environment (engineers and tools).
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Plot twist, they announce a new TP 😂

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We will see how much stakes they sold during the announcement