2013 Hungarian GP - Hungaroring

[beelsebob]

Yeah, just hold that in check for me misspelling "manoeuvre" .

Haha, misspelling mannnuuuverauerueu is entirely reasonable IMO, it's a retiredly spelt word

[Just_a_fan]

But leaving enough room means leaving at least a "car's width".

You can not squeeze your competitor out of track then say look he still did not leave the circuit completely.

The "car's width requirement" applies where a driver moves across the track to defend the line and then moves back to take the line through the corner. In the situation with Webber, Hamilton had the line all the way through the corner and Webber tried to stay with him around the outside. By choosing to go around the outside, Webber set himself up to run out of room on the exit. That's why he didn't complain about it - and remember that Webber isn't one to keep quiet if he thinks he's been treated incorrectly on or off track. He's a hard-but-fair racer and he must have been happy that he'd been treated correctly by Hamilton.

If that is the case than why was Vettel penalized at Monza at a long high speed curve when he was in front and inside???

No idea to be honest. In both cases, the guy who was "wronged" tried to stay around the outside and ran out of room. In the Monza incident two differences are obvious:
1. At Monza, the outer car was either on tarmac (the track) or on grass/gravel. Not a safe situation. In Hungary, the outer driver was either on track or tarmac run off (much safer)
2. At Monza, the "wronged driver" was vociferous in his complaints on the radio. In Hungary, Webber was, apparently, silent and thus happy with his opponent's behaviour.

In my view, if you take the choice of running around the outside on a corner then you take the chance that you will run out of tarmac on the exit.

Perhaps if Webber had been all "oh, he tried to kill me" on the radio then Hamilton would have been penalised. But Webber isn't Alonso so he didn't do that.

What made Monza interesting is that Alosno ran Vettel on to the dirt in the same corner.

[beelsebob]

For me, the reason that the Monza incident was penalised and this wasn't is trivial.

The corner is very different. The normal racing line does not require you to be on the limit of the track at that location in Monza. It does not require you to be on the limit of lateral traction either (it's an acceleration zone). Effectively, that area of the track is a "straight". It thus (as turbof1 points out) takes an actual choice by the driver to move the other one off the track – he could leave room, but he made a move that caused the other one to run out of track.

At hungary though, both incidents occurred in situations where the driver on the inside was turning at the limit of traction already. They aren't making a choice to push the other driver off the track, they're just continuing round the traction limited racing line.

[iotar__]

It must be a long break, now Monza?! Monza is completely different and has nothing to do with it. I'm surprised the discussion continues despite overwhelming visual evidence . Here's for sth different Rosberg when he starts to cut across. [Still images lie, especially one, just watch it, but the point stands]. In front, speed advantage and so on, it means little, he didn't leave enough space.



Whiting should be asked why he got away with it, probably the same way he got away with speeding under yellows in Silverstone. It's F1 and rules are rules right? Another two examples for "yea but he 'clearly' went off the track" crowd in RG's penalties. Rule was created to avoid Hamilton-Rosberg Bahrain, Vettel-Button or even Raikkonen Spa 2009. Purposefully using outside of the track for overtake, not to go outside for a split second and 10 cm to avoid collision, after being pushed off by the other driver at high speed. While being practically in front, speed, space and track position.

Appropriate stewarding in the race where Ecclestone was overlooking his protected drivers.