The signs already showed in pre season testing wile Merc was sandbagging, using old parts and Ferrari running light.
The season will very tight.
Also alot of clumsy driving today throughout the field?
We will never know during that first stint but Lewis had track position and the safety car wouldve helped the tyres. I think mercedes were just surprised how many car stayed out, it cost them 10 seconds in traffic and the gap in the end was 8.5.AnthonyG wrote: The Ferrari could stay out longer than the Merc, if they'd stayed out during SC and pitted ater a normal distance. They might could have ended up in traffic as well.
Mercedes used 80% of their tokens, they still have some.erlik wrote:As I understand, merc used all of their tokens and ferrari still has some. This can make season more intersting... Anyway I doubt Ferrari will have more than clear 2nd place in Wcc and maybe Vettel will have chance for 2nd in Wdc.
matt_b wrote:We will never know during that first stint but Lewis had track position and the safety car wouldve helped the tyres. I think mercedes were just surprised how many car stayed out, it cost them 10 seconds in traffic and the gap in the end was 8.5.AnthonyG wrote: The Ferrari could stay out longer than the Merc, if they'd stayed out during SC and pitted ater a normal distance. They might could have ended up in traffic as well.
I'm sure the temperature played a big part in Ferrari's pace today over race distance, their degradation was minimal compared to others. Like Phil said, Malaysia is a bit of an anomaly in that sense. I think in China we'll see them back to around 0.7s behind the Mercs.henra wrote:I doubt it. The first Williams ended 70s behind. That's a whopping 1,3s per Lap that the Ferrari was faster.Waywardism wrote:Although nothing I've seen today makes me think they are serious contenders this year, they're still the best part of a second behind.
Yes, the strategy made the scales finally tip towards Ferrari today, but even on a similar strategy it would have been pretty close between Ferrari and Merc today. Close meaning 0,1s per Lap in favor of Merc Maximum. (1 additional pitstop partly compensated by somewhat higher possible pace might have meant Seb ending up somewhere between 5s and directly behind Lewis had they also gone for a three stopper.
More difficult to judge is what a 2 stopper for Merc would have meant. Would have been the better strategy for Merc in any case.
i'd be delighted of you could prove me wrong, but you just keep repeating the same sentence ... but hey... i have some facts for you.djos wrote:Not surprising as you clearly weren't watching the race properly.RZS10 wrote: i seriously don't understand what you're on about
and neither was their teamchef, i suppose ...stuartpengs wrote:Just watching a Christian Horner interview on BBC, he seems to think Red Bull were beaten fairly and squarely by Toro Rosso.
RZS10 wrote:i'd be delighted of you could prove me wrong, but you just keep repeating the same sentence ... but hey... i have some facts for you.djos wrote:Not surprising as you clearly weren't watching the race properly.RZS10 wrote: i seriously don't understand what you're on about
after 11 laps: sainz (4) in front of ric (5), verstappen in front of kvyat
after 19 laps: verstappen (6) in front of kvyat (7) and sainz in front of ric
incident on lap 26, kvyat tries to overtake and hulk hits him, both toro rosso in front of RB anyways
after 30 laps: Toro Rosso on P6 and P7, RBR on P9 and P10
without kvyat being taken out he MIGHT have been able to attack sainz near the end ... kvyat's fastest lap was barely faster than verstappens ... and verstappen had the f*ckup entering the pitlane
but clearly i wasn't watching the race properly =D>
and neither was their teamchef, i suppose ...stuartpengs wrote:Just watching a Christian Horner interview on BBC, he seems to think Red Bull were beaten fairly and squarely by Toro Rosso.
They already had a montain to climb at that point, plus Hamilton's final stint was longer, they had 2 options stop right after Vettel and risk finish the race without tires or go 3 laps more allowing Vettel to open up the distance, either way Vettel running so long and at a good pace it neutralised their extra stop advantage.abicus wrote:The nail in the coffin was putting Hamilton on Hard tyres at the end. Putting him on the same tyre as Vettel was never going to win him the race. If they had gone for the scrubbed mediums, he would have at least a chance of catching then passing Vettel. Rosberg showed that the tyres wouldn't have totally fallen apart, especially at the end of the race when there is more rubber on the track. A mistake, which ever way you look at it.
I'm not saying the TR drivers didn't do a great job, but RIC had clear aero damage from the first corner - these things can't be ignored.stuartpengs wrote:djos wrote:Not surprising as you clearly weren't watching the race properly.RZS10 wrote: i seriously don't understand what you're on about
Just watching a Christian Horner interview on BBC, he seems to think Red Bull were beaten fairly and squarely by Toro Rosso.