2022 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Oct 07 - 09

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Only caught bits of it but what happened with NOR?. Didn’t he pit for inters early like VET?

one lap later, yeah, and thereby dropped behind Vettel and Latifi. And that's basically where he stayed (apart from getting overtaken by Russell)

[Andi76]

From the FIA: "The rules regarding the reduced points allocation (article 6.5) only apply in the event of race suspension that cannot be resumed, and therefore full points are awarded and Max Verstappen is World Champion."

Who is making such stupid rules like that? Rules that makes it possible that a race with one lap only can get awarded with full points? A race can be stopped after the start, resumed for one lap only it will be awarded with full points? This is probably the most stupid rule ever!

Technically its 3 laps. Does seem short, but thats the way the rules are.

This don't make a difference. "Thats what the rules are" - ok. But this does not change the fact that its totally stupid and has to be changed immediately!

[Zhouvinazzi]

No chance Button is interested in a full time commentary gig. Got other interests, doesn’t need the money + has a family now. Stuck with the horrendous Crofty, and Martin ‘that needs a safety car’ Brundle

Frankly the F1 Live commentary today blew Sky away, even with Jenson. The Sky commentators always dumb everything down to the lowest denominator and Crofty's ridiculous British bias is just too much to take.

[Bill_Kar]

Max and red bull in a different league and thoroughly deserved. FIA have not had a great week, the delaying of the cost cap report until Monday, the tractor on track and the debacle at the end, once again makes the sport seem a bit of a joke. Even bigger questions will be raised if problems are found with red bulls budget. Especially as I’ve never seen what leclerc did penalised the first time it happens, particularly in the wet. But if that’s the new standard, no doubt we’ll see it repeated going forwards

The only time a Leclerc kind of incident was punished I can remember of was in 2019. Vettel returning to the track in Canada with Lewis following close. Yes Lewis had to brake as he tried to get around the outside. The FiA claimed that was dangerous driving yet most people disagreed. It’s called racing.
Today there was no dangerous situation at all, still Leclerc got a penalty. And this time they didn’t have to think more than 5 minutes instead of 4 hours after the race…..

This sport was already a political beast but some time ago it has taken a different direction. It’s merely a tv show only driven by politics. The wording “sport” or “technical genius” seem to become far fetched.

What? Vettel was penalised for re-joining the track unsafely, Leclerc was for leaving the track and gaining an advantage.

He made a mistake and still came ahead of Checo, not to mention the dangerous squeezing just before the S/F line.

[214270]

Only caught bits of it but what happened with NOR?. Didn’t he pit for inters early like VET?

one lap later, yeah, and thereby dropped behind Vettel and Latifi. And that's basically where he stayed (apart from getting overtaken by Russell)

Ok so it was VET and LAT early, I thought it was NOR

[bonjon1979]

Max and red bull in a different league and thoroughly deserved. FIA have not had a great week, the delaying of the cost cap report until Monday, the tractor on track and the debacle at the end, once again makes the sport seem a bit of a joke. Even bigger questions will be raised if problems are found with red bulls budget. Especially as I’ve never seen what leclerc did penalised the first time it happens, particularly in the wet. But if that’s the new standard, no doubt we’ll see it repeated going forwards

The only time a Leclerc kind of incident was punished I can remember of was in 2019. Vettel returning to the track in Canada with Lewis following close. Yes Lewis had to brake as he tried to get around the outside. The FiA claimed that was dangerous driving yet most people disagreed. It’s called racing.
Today there was no dangerous situation at all, still Leclerc got a penalty. And this time they didn’t have to think more than 5 minutes instead of 4 hours after the race…..

This sport was already a political beast but some time ago it has taken a different direction. It’s merely a tv show only driven by politics. The wording “sport” or “technical genius” seem to become far fetched.

What? Vettel was penalised for re-joining the track unsafely, Leclerc was for leaving the track and gaining an advantage.

He made a mistake and still came ahead of Checo, not to mention the dangerous squeezing just before the S/F line.

The gaining an advantage punishment has mostly been used when someone gains a place. Leclerc was ahead, and Perez not even attempting an overtake. And it’s in the wet. Decision made in 5 mins? Come on, I think we all know it whats going on here

[BlueCheetah66]

Only caught bits of it but what happened with NOR?. Didn’t he pit for inters early like VET?

The people who pit early for inters pace started to fall away a bit more than others at the end

[Bill_Kar]

The only time a Leclerc kind of incident was punished I can remember of was in 2019. Vettel returning to the track in Canada with Lewis following close. Yes Lewis had to brake as he tried to get around the outside. The FiA claimed that was dangerous driving yet most people disagreed. It’s called racing.
Today there was no dangerous situation at all, still Leclerc got a penalty. And this time they didn’t have to think more than 5 minutes instead of 4 hours after the race…..

This sport was already a political beast but some time ago it has taken a different direction. It’s merely a tv show only driven by politics. The wording “sport” or “technical genius” seem to become far fetched.

What? Vettel was penalised for re-joining the track unsafely, Leclerc was for leaving the track and gaining an advantage.

He made a mistake and still came ahead of Checo, not to mention the dangerous squeezing just before the S/F line.

The gaining an advantage punishment has mostly been used when someone gains a place. Leclerc was ahead, and Perez not even attempting an overtake. And it’s in the wet. Decision made in 5 mins? Come on, I think we all know it whats going on here

Advantage is not strictly gaining a position, it's also retaining a position you wouldn't otherwise because you made a mistake. Leclerc perfectly knew what he was doing when he was going off brake and sliding back into a convenient positioning in the track.

The fact that it is wet is relevant because?

I'm not sure what's going on here, really, but anyways.

[Sieper]

The only time a Leclerc kind of incident was punished I can remember of was in 2019. Vettel returning to the track in Canada with Lewis following close. Yes Lewis had to brake as he tried to get around the outside. The FiA claimed that was dangerous driving yet most people disagreed. It’s called racing.
Today there was no dangerous situation at all, still Leclerc got a penalty. And this time they didn’t have to think more than 5 minutes instead of 4 hours after the race…..

This sport was already a political beast but some time ago it has taken a different direction. It’s merely a tv show only driven by politics. The wording “sport” or “technical genius” seem to become far fetched.

What? Vettel was penalised for re-joining the track unsafely, Leclerc was for leaving the track and gaining an advantage.

He made a mistake and still came ahead of Checo, not to mention the dangerous squeezing just before the S/F line.

The gaining an advantage punishment has mostly been used when someone gains a place. Leclerc was ahead, and Perez not even attempting an overtake. And it’s in the wet. Decision made in 5 mins? Come on, I think we all know it whats going on here

Perez not even attempting. He was all over Charles. Especially that last lap. Charles tires were gone and the mistake was forced. In that scenario if you miss the chicane and not try to make it you are getting an unfair advantage. I can understand the penalty. Just like I did with Vettel in Canada. It could be given, and that it was sealed the deal here. That is true.

[DChemTech]

What? Vettel was penalised for re-joining the track unsafely, Leclerc was for leaving the track and gaining an advantage.

He made a mistake and still came ahead of Checo, not to mention the dangerous squeezing just before the S/F line.

The gaining an advantage punishment has mostly been used when someone gains a place. Leclerc was ahead, and Perez not even attempting an overtake. And it’s in the wet. Decision made in 5 mins? Come on, I think we all know it whats going on here

Advantage is not strictly gaining a position, it's also retaining a position you wouldn't otherwise because you made a mistake. Leclerc perfectly knew what he was doing when he was going off brake and sliding back into a convenient positioning in the track.

The fact that it is wet is relevant because?

I'm not sure what's going on here, really, but anyways.

Exactly, it's fine the FIA finally recognize there are other ways to leave the track and gain an advantage than just during an overtake; in the past they might have judged otherwise, but why continue making mistakes just on the basis of precedent? The penalty was completely fair

[GrizzleBoy]

But Charles literally LOST time and relative gap to Perez after the mistake, he didn't gain any advantage by losing time and becoming more vulnerable to attack than he would otherwise have been had he not missed the turn.

Also, we know for sure that had Perez overtaken into turn 1 if there was one more lap left, there'd be no penalty.

[Sieper]

But Charles literally LOST time and relative gap to Perez after the mistake, he didn't gain any advantage by losing time and becoming more vulnerable to attack than he would otherwise have been had he not missed the turn.

Also, we know for sure that had Perez overtaken into turn 1 if there was one more lap left, there'd be no penalty.

Because then there wouldn’t have been a (lasting) advantage.

[101FlyingDutchman]

On top of the gaining advantage by being able to stay ahead he then proceeds to shut the door on the outside of the last corner and runs Perez out of road. Can’t see it anymore slam dunk than what was given. One of the decisions they did get right

[Sieper]

The points they actually got right too. It is clearly described and does make sense. Just that at least our broadcaster (viaplay) and the teams themselves missed it, a bit amateurish almost. Oh well, this season was never going to be euphoric as last year.

[Just_a_fan]

Remember all those people who were calling for Masi's head and how it would improve afterwards? Yeah. How do you feel now? :>

Replacing one lot of incompetence with another doesn't make the first one preferable.