the EDGE wrote: ↑01 Nov 2023, 10:33
Mosin123 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2023, 10:25
Ofc it matter, if a driver cant drivew the car becuse driver says such and such, and team fail to implement changes, how is the driver every going to get the most out of the car he cant drive?
Next your going to say the Redbull wasnt designed specifically for Max even though Neway and horner keep saying differently.
That’s not true. Horner has specifically said the RB, like every other car, is simply designed to be the theoretically fastest car possible
Every team chases a target of balance across a range of speeds. It is up to the driver to adapt to get the most out of it
" Max Verstappen is leading Red Bull from a car development point of view, says team principal Christian Horner."
Cs98 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2023, 10:35
Mosin123 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2023, 10:21
CHT wrote: ↑01 Nov 2023, 09:48
After 8 consecutive of WCC to fire the technical team just because of drivers feedback is not good for morale of the people working at the factory.
Hope this decision doesn't back fire because James Allison is no superman he has his fair share dry spell without winning any championship
But he wasnt TD for all those titles, Most he was head aero, then moved to TD in 2017 in a joint role with Allison after Lowe left, Before then, Lowe was the leader on design, Not ME.
Do you not find it funny how after LH and GR complain that they wasnt being listened to with the car design and all of a sudden Allison is back?
Ofc its important, if they cant drive the car, then the car is no good.
Allison is more or less the same when it comes to driver feedback. Drivers know nothing about car design. The behaviors they feel can be useful when interpreted through an engineer, but a driver's own solutions are not the path to go. Eliminating bad behaviors is what they should do, but there's no reason to suggest Elliott wasn't trying to do that. As we can see below, the solution to such problems isn't necessarily what a driver imagines.
I think that drivers sometimes conflate identifying a problem with knowing what the solution is. Where it’s a massive help is the accurate description of what is difficult about extracting lap time from the car.
If they can say ‘here it is letting me down because the front axle is too weak, here it’s letting me down because the rear axle is too weak. Here, it just feels bizarre and I don’t trust it’ that’s ever so helpful because you can have a million pressure sensors on the car, loads of load cells, accelerometers up the ying yang, but ultimately, those are a little bit sort of stunted in their ability to tell you truly what the car is doing.
The driver is a much better sensor. So if a driver says ‘the car’s lacking rear downforce, bang, I’ve solved it, go to the rear downforce shop, get me some downforce’ then that’s the point where it becomes slightly less helpful.
But at that point, we just have to accept the car is lacking in a certain thing and it’s our job as Lewis rightly points out.
He doesn’t design the car, it’s our job to respond with the solutions that bring that. But I think that he could rightfully say that both he and George [Russell] had been saying a particular consistent thing about the car since the first laps of the 2022 cousin of this one and the 2023 version inherited that same behaviour and we have been slow to react, slow to fix.
He debunked this "driver solution" too.
“I had some conversations with Lewis about it. I don’t think the seating position is a big factor in the problems he feels with the car.
“It’s not like we’re talking about 20 centimetres. Lewis has driven cars where he has sat even further forward.
“What he is right about is the criticism of the car’s road holding. It is our task to eliminate this weakness – because that is lap time.
“If we change the seating position, it is for many other reasons and not because we think that alone will solve all the problems for Lewis.”
" "Obviously, [when] you go back to before data recorders, the only thing the race engineer had to go on really was the driver's feedback.
“So the feedback of the driver, and the feel the driver had, was all-important.
"Now, with data recorders, you could argue that you don't need that.
“But, in my view, in truth you do, because data recorders tell you what the car is doing.
"[But it's] very difficult to see why the car is doing it –
that's where the driver comes in. "
So his feedback is important, and then it's trying to marry the two.
"Max's feedback... [he] won't tell you, 'I think I should stiffen the front spring' or something [like that].
“But he will tell you, in great accuracy, what the car is doing. And that, for the engineer, is incredibly important."
^^ Said Neway.