2022 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 08 - 10

[Tvetovnato]

Lewis is P3, but he started P8 and had to wait for about 15 laps behind much much slower cars before he was totally up to speed.

Do you mean that simply he couldn't overtake them? Noone commanded him to sit behind them

Since you apprently didn’t watch the race, he was stuck in a DRS train.

[GrizzleBoy]

Lewis is P3, but he started P8 and had to wait for about 15 laps behind much much slower cars before he was totally up to speed.

Do you mean that simply he couldn't overtake them? Noone commanded him to sit behind them

It's kind of self explanatory isn't it?

My comment specifically refers to the fact that his speed was the issue why he was stuck behind slower cars until he got upto speed.

Was my comment not critical enough for your liking or something?

[xaero]

Lewis is P3, but he started P8 and had to wait for about 15 laps behind much much slower cars before he was totally up to speed.

Do you mean that simply he couldn't overtake them? Noone commanded him to sit behind them

Since you apprently didn’t watch the race, he was stuck in a DRS train.

Certain section of posters apply Ostrich algorithm when something pertains to Hamilton so don't except much.

[Tvetovnato]

UFF!!! Ferrari almost managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Pace was incredible, reliability troubling, this was a 1-2.
Mercedes very far behind.
Mick seems to be learning.

Merc not necessarily showing their actual pace here.

Lewis is P3, but he started P8 and had to wait for about 15 laps behind much much slower cars before he was totally up to speed.

George is P4 but was sent very far back down the grid after his penalty and had to sit in traffic for a while till his car woke up like Lewis had to.

If both Mercs started in their proper position shaving not crashed out during quali and George didn't get that dumb penalty (imo) for the most racing incident type of racing incident, it all could have looked very different.

Sure thing...
Russell was 4th getting gaped at a huge rate (lost endplate much like Leclerc at Silverstone) early.
Hamilton with free air kept dropping like a rock.
Mercedes fans are the most hopeless optimistic people in the world, can't wait to keep hearing about the car's "potential".

About the penalties, bump another guy off the track, ruin his race= 5s
Go wide a couple of times=5s

That's just not right.

Kept dropping like a rock? What race were you watching? He was faster than Ferrari at the end of the first stint, and then the strategy offset did the rest for the pace/time difference in the end. With a normal Q for Merc, they are in the fight.

[f1jcw]

UFF!!! Ferrari almost managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Pace was incredible, reliability troubling, this was a 1-2.
Mercedes very far behind.
Mick seems to be learning.

Merc not necessarily showing their actual pace here.

Lewis is P3, but he started P8 and had to wait for about 15 laps behind much much slower cars before he was totally up to speed.

George is P4 but was sent very far back down the grid after his penalty and had to sit in traffic for a while till his car woke up like Lewis had to.

If both Mercs started in their proper position shaving not crashed out during quali and George didn't get that dumb penalty (imo) for the most racing incident type of racing incident, it all could have looked very different.

Sure thing...
Russell was 4th getting gaped at a huge rate (lost endplate much like Leclerc at Silverstone) early.
Hamilton with free air kept dropping like a rock.
Mercedes fans are the most hopeless optimistic people in the world, can't wait to keep hearing about the car's "potential".

About the penalties, bump another guy off the track, ruin his race= 5s
Go wide a couple of times=5s

That's just not right.

Perez should learn to not drive into people if he doesn’t want to go off track

[Big Tea]

UFF!!! Ferrari almost managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Pace was incredible, reliability troubling, this was a 1-2.
Mercedes very far behind.
Mick seems to be learning.

Merc not necessarily showing their actual pace here.

Lewis is P3, but he started P8 and had to wait for about 15 laps behind much much slower cars before he was totally up to speed.

George is P4 but was sent very far back down the grid after his penalty and had to sit in traffic for a while till his car woke up like Lewis had to.

If both Mercs started in their proper position shaving not crashed out during quali and George didn't get that dumb penalty (imo) for the most racing incident type of racing incident, it all could have looked very different.

I think that with out cars DNF-ing the best they would have got anyway was 5 and 6, possibly 4 or 5, but it does not look likely.

They seem to be getting things sorted race by race though.

[Just_a_fan]

Lewis is P3, but he started P8 and had to wait for about 15 laps behind much much slower cars before he was totally up to speed.

Do you mean that simply he couldn't overtake them? Noone commanded him to sit behind them

The Haas cars, for example, are slower around a lap but they have very good straight line speed. So although he was quicker than them, he couldn't overtake them when they were benefitting from DRS from cars ahead.

But you knew that.

[chrisc90]

Merc not necessarily showing their actual pace here.

Lewis is P3, but he started P8 and had to wait for about 15 laps behind much much slower cars before he was totally up to speed.

George is P4 but was sent very far back down the grid after his penalty and had to sit in traffic for a while till his car woke up like Lewis had to.

If both Mercs started in their proper position shaving not crashed out during quali and George didn't get that dumb penalty (imo) for the most racing incident type of racing incident, it all could have looked very different.

Sure thing...
Russell was 4th getting gaped at a huge rate (lost endplate much like Leclerc at Silverstone) early.
Hamilton with free air kept dropping like a rock.
Mercedes fans are the most hopeless optimistic people in the world, can't wait to keep hearing about the car's "potential".

About the penalties, bump another guy off the track, ruin his race= 5s
Go wide a couple of times=5s

That's just not right.

Perez should learn to not drive into people if he doesn’t want to go off track

I’m sure the stewards disagree with your analysis there.

[Watto]

Sainz engine kaput

At least it was on their second driver's car. It could have been worse for the driver championship had it been Leclerc's car.

Very true, but would imagine some nerves at Ferarri to find what caused it was a proper blow up there

[GrizzleBoy]

UFF!!! Ferrari almost managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Pace was incredible, reliability troubling, this was a 1-2.
Mercedes very far behind.
Mick seems to be learning.

Merc not necessarily showing their actual pace here.

Lewis is P3, but he started P8 and had to wait for about 15 laps behind much much slower cars before he was totally up to speed.

George is P4 but was sent very far back down the grid after his penalty and had to sit in traffic for a while till his car woke up like Lewis had to.

If both Mercs started in their proper position shaving not crashed out during quali and George didn't get that dumb penalty (imo) for the most racing incident type of racing incident, it all could have looked very different.

Sure thing...
Russell was 4th getting gaped at a huge rate (lost endplate much like Leclerc at Silverstone) early.
Hamilton with free air kept dropping like a rock.
Mercedes fans are the most hopeless optimistic people in the world, can't wait to keep hearing about the car's "potential".

About the penalties, bump another guy off the track, ruin his race= 5s
Go wide a couple of times=5s

That's just not right.

What are you talking about?

Russel had to drop right back into DRS trains way back out of the points from lap 1.

Lewis had to battle up from P8 in DRS trains.

My point was not that they are faster than the RBs or Ferrari's, but that due to circumstances in the race, their true pace wasn't actually shown.

I don't see why that should upset anyone.

[chrisc90]

Sainz engine kaput

At least it was on their second driver's car. It could have been worse for the driver championship had it been Leclerc's car.

Very true, but would imagine some nerves at Ferarri to find what caused it was a proper blow up there

Given that failure I reckon it’ll be hard.
Whatever it was there were showers of sparks out the back aswell as smoke, eventually exploded somewhere it seems given parts exiting the engine covers.

It was a valve that failed on Charles’ engine wasn’t it?

For something to exit out the engine cover, I’d strongly expect crank case damage. Be interesting to see some close up footage

[dialtone]

Sainz engine kaput

At least it was on their second driver's car. It could have been worse for the driver championship had it been Leclerc's car.

Very true, but would imagine some nerves at Ferarri to find what caused it was a proper blow up there

It's the third engine blowup now so I really hope they have enough to figure out what's up. 2 of those 3 blowups came out right after pit stops so I wonder if the issue is latent heat while they go through the pits.

[Shrieker]

I swear Ferrari made an extra stop, just to repass MV and up one him one more time

[N21]

The Ferrari’s were really quick today. Such bad luck for Sainz that he suffered a technical DNF yet again.

Really enjoyed watching Mick Schumacher racing the past 2 races

[Hammerfist]

Merc not necessarily showing their actual pace here.

Lewis is P3, but he started P8 and had to wait for about 15 laps behind much much slower cars before he was totally up to speed.

George is P4 but was sent very far back down the grid after his penalty and had to sit in traffic for a while till his car woke up like Lewis had to.

If both Mercs started in their proper position shaving not crashed out during quali and George didn't get that dumb penalty (imo) for the most racing incident type of racing incident, it all could have looked very different.

Sure thing...
Russell was 4th getting gaped at a huge rate (lost endplate much like Leclerc at Silverstone) early.
Hamilton with free air kept dropping like a rock.
Mercedes fans are the most hopeless optimistic people in the world, can't wait to keep hearing about the car's "potential".

About the penalties, bump another guy off the track, ruin his race= 5s
Go wide a couple of times=5s

That's just not right.

What are you talking about?

Russel had to drop right back into DRS trains way back out of the points from lap 1.

Lewis had to battle up from P8 in DRS trains.

My point was not that they are faster than the RBs or Ferrari's, but that due to circumstances in the race, their true pace wasn't actually shown.

I don't see why that should upset anyone.

Some people have such hatred for teams/drivers they can't see the truth staring them in the face. If the Mercs started in position they probably could have beaten Max today who had a horrid race by his standards. His deg was really bad. Russell ruined his race when he damaged his wing with the contact with perez. Not only did he have to serve a penalty but he also had to change the front wing. I need to look at it again, but it looked to me that he opened up the steering to squeeze perez, which if he did infact do that is a stupid move. But yeah...Merc is definitely getting back in the game. Only a blind hater can't see that.