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turbof1 wrote:It's an orgasm of aerodynamics:
http://u.cubeupload.com/turbof1/Ferrari2015.jpg
@F1.Ru: I'm so glad you asked.
First of all, frankly Gary "the" Anderson is often very wrong. I'd not take his word for granted. He is implying that an endplate needs to be bent in order to be good, which I in all honesty have a laugh with. Red Bull and Mclaren for instance have even less a bend in their endplates..................
Thanks Turbo for answering i was also thinking something like that and thats why when someone like Gary THE Anderson become paranoid with the Ferrari End plate design i started to wonder is is only End plate or it is load balanceing of wing that Mr. Anderson is referring ........... either way it is not so much a things as it is the front wing cascade and planes........ they do the major part......... so i think now he should focus on those parts and try to tell Ferrari should do more in those section like Mecc....or Mecca :P
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Kalsi wrote:A more interesting question to me is: "Are we going to see a Jerez/Bcn tests PU spec since the beginning of the season?"
According to Omnicorse they will use old power unit with less HP not Barca spec for reliability reasons.
Omnicorse actually said that the team will run the 2015 engine (059/4) but with less (a bit less, to be precise) HP compared the configuration tested for the last Barcelona test, in order to use more tokens during the season.

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Dream Theater wrote:
Silent Storm wrote:
Kalsi wrote:A more interesting question to me is: "Are we going to see a Jerez/Bcn tests PU spec since the beginning of the season?"
According to Omnicorse they will use old power unit with less HP not Barca spec for reliability reasons.
Omnicorse actually said that the team will run the 2015 engine (059/4) but with less (a bit less, to be precise) HP compared the configuration tested for the last Barcelona test, in order to use more tokens during the season.
Thanks for clarifying that. How less exactly?? Will it make a difference during the race?
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F1.Ru wrote:
turbof1 wrote:It's an orgasm of aerodynamics:
http://u.cubeupload.com/turbof1/Ferrari2015.jpg
@F1.Ru: I'm so glad you asked.
First of all, frankly Gary "the" Anderson is often very wrong. I'd not take his word for granted. He is implying that an endplate needs to be bent in order to be good, which I in all honesty have a laugh with. Red Bull and Mclaren for instance have even less a bend in their endplates..................
Thanks Turbo for answering i was also thinking something like that and thats why when someone like Gary THE Anderson become paranoid with the Ferrari End plate design i started to wonder is is only End plate or it is load balanceing of wing that Mr. Anderson is referring ........... either way it is not so much a things as it is the front wing cascade and planes........ they do the major part......... so i think now he should focus on those parts and try to tell Ferrari should do more in those section like Mecc....or Mecca :P
I should clarify that the endplate does play quite an important role, simply because there are vortices rolling off its tips, and teams do use those vortices to shape airflow around the tyre. However teams can easily replicate those vortices without an endplate.

(You can compare them to the front camera's. If ever given the choice, teams will inmediately drop them to never run them again. But they don't have that choice, so what do they do?
-Before 2014: run them inbetween the pylon right above the neutral section to create downforce from it)
-From 2014 onwards: Rather high above the nose as flow conditioners.)

That being said, endplates have been so long around in F1 and teams have so much knowledge about it, that you can have widespread designs between teams yet the performance difference will hardly matter between 2 different concepts.
That's where I feel Gary Anderson went completely ignorant: just because an endplate is more bent at its back does not mean it'll work better. The most important thing is and always will be how the flow structures of the front wing are;
the endplate will always be designed according to that, never the other way around. When Ferrari introduced their car with their new endplate on it, it was clear that they actually already had developed a new front wing.
The reason why they first introduced the endplate and then later the front wing itself, is simply down to the front wing having a particular long production time.
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Silent Storm wrote:
Thanks for clarifying that. How less exactly?? Will it make a difference during the race?
Unfortunately the article says "qualche cavallo in meno" that can be translated into "a few less", which is very vague...

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i'd give away a few HP if i was left with more tokens to use later. this is a good move from ferrari, cause they now have more tokens to use = more time and more possible upgrades later.
some sources say that they removed some new parts because they were not 100% up to par with their hopes. imagine them running with a part like that for the rest of the year. not good. so they took them off to develop them further. and as we know, it's just a small HP loss, but the engine will be more reliable.

i think this is a win win thing. no bad sides. ferrari did the right thing.
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It might not even be as bad as that, they might be closer to Merc and Renault than they hoped to be after evaluating the other teams whilst testing, so decided to hold back a few parts that only give them a couple of HP in the knowledge that they have developments that might be worth more a little later.

Of course, it might be the other side of that coin, they know they've got Renault beat engine-wise, but Merc are so far ahead they only want to use enough tokens to keep abreast of Renault whilst they hope for a break-through to chase Mercedes.

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Don't know if anyone had seen it already...
This is the SF15-T's steering wheel.

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For now this is all we can feast upon...until tomorrow that is ;)

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i wonder if they actually did bring the short nose, after all that speculation.
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Ferrari in Melbourne with same PU specification as last Barcelona test, no reliability problems and same aero package and no new parts.

A Ferrari spokesman said: "That's not true. We go with basically the same specification as the last test in Barcelona and therefore also have the same power. Reliability issues I know nothing. "
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Silent Storm wrote:Ferrari in Melbourne with same PU specification as last Barcelona test, no reliability problems and same aero package and no new parts.

A Ferrari spokesman said: "That's not true. We go with basically the same specification as the last test in Barcelona and therefore also have the same power. Reliability issues I know nothing. "
If that's the case, we'll see as per the last test Ferrari's raised nose camera pylons:

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There is a front wing detail from Thursday in Melbourne - Ferrari will use the old version of their front wing :(

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Kimicek3 wrote:There is a front wing detail from Thursday in Melbourne - Ferrari will use the old version of their front wing :(

https://scontent-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot ... e=55806B4E
Thursday is just assembling / Scrutineering. No need to put on the latest Parts. I'm sure they have the New Wing ready.
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Thunders wrote:
Kimicek3 wrote:There is a front wing detail from Thursday in Melbourne - Ferrari will use the old version of their front wing :(

https://scontent-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot ... e=55806B4E
Thursday is just assembling / Scrutineering. No need to put on the latest Parts. I'm sure they have the New Wing ready.
I just hope you are right...