2014 Monaco Grand Prix

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jurinius wrote:
We all know that it is not always question of mega and nobody can be sure for the pole position at 100%. But the fact is that everytime Lewis improved into another sector 1 or 3 he was on top.
I am trying to find the sector time of his Q2 time when he was 0.111 faster than Rosberg to try an analogy. Rosberg was not faster than Lewis all the weekend and there is no limit for the pole attempts for who is speaking for his first stint.
I have it written down, Lewis in Q2 on his best lap was .S1 - 19.965. .S2 - 35.352. .S3 - 21.039.
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Yet he made a whole theater of celebrating his pole, even putting up a Vettel finger, and pretending in front of the camera's that he didn't know others had to abandon their runs because of him. Yeah sure. If he really didn't know he would not have hidden from Hamilton that fast.

My thoughts exactly.

As for Lewis Sector 1 time, he was only 0.067 up on his own personal best in Q3. so he wasn't 2 tenths up on his own or Nico's time at the timing point for Sector 1.
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Edax wrote:Though I like Rosberg there is something which stung me about this affair. That was the way he celebrated his pole. He should have been well aware that his action caused the yellow to come out and cause the others to abandon their runs. If he didn't figure that out himself then they surely have told him over the radio.

Yet he made a whole theater of celebrating his pole, even putting up a Vettel finger, and pretending in front of the camera's that he didn't know others had to abandon their runs because of him. Yeah sure. If he really didn't know he would not have hidden from Hamilton that fast.

Of course luck is an integral part of racing. If he would have gotten out of the car like "OK this is not how I wanted it, but I'll take it", like many driver before him, then it would be fine with me.

It may sound stupid in an era where hundreds of millions are won and lost in racing, but I like the drivers at least to pretend to not only care about whether they win, but also how they win.
This is also the real clincher for me. As I previously mentioned in tennis, for example, if a player wins a point (no matter how important) through a net cord going their way then they always apologise to the other player first and foremost. Random luck happens in sport, it's considered sporting to acknowledge it. Rosberg's first action when getting out of the car should have been to go over and apologise to Lewis. It wasn't and, again regardless of whether or not the crash or reversing was deliberate, that kinda sucked.

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myurr wrote:
Edax wrote:Though I like Rosberg there is something which stung me about this affair. That was the way he celebrated his pole. He should have been well aware that his action caused the yellow to come out and cause the others to abandon their runs. If he didn't figure that out himself then they surely have told him over the radio.

Yet he made a whole theater of celebrating his pole, even putting up a Vettel finger, and pretending in front of the camera's that he didn't know others had to abandon their runs because of him. Yeah sure. If he really didn't know he would not have hidden from Hamilton that fast.

Of course luck is an integral part of racing. If he would have gotten out of the car like "OK this is not how I wanted it, but I'll take it", like many driver before him, then it would be fine with me.

It may sound stupid in an era where hundreds of millions are won and lost in racing, but I like the drivers at least to pretend to not only care about whether they win, but also how they win.
This is also the real clincher for me. As I previously mentioned in tennis, for example, if a player wins a point (no matter how important) through a net cord going their way then they always apologise to the other player first and foremost. Random luck happens in sport, it's considered sporting to acknowledge it. Rosberg's first action when getting out of the car should have been to go over and apologise to Lewis. It wasn't and, again regardless of whether or not the crash or reversing was deliberate, that kinda sucked.
Same as Snooker.
Nico reacted the way the players do in football. As in "I had a huge piece of luck and im going to rub it right in your face"
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myurr wrote: This is also the real clincher for me. As I previously mentioned in tennis, for example, if a player wins a point (no matter how important) through a net cord going their way then they always apologise to the other player first and foremost. Random luck happens in sport, it's considered sporting to acknowledge it. Rosberg's first action when getting out of the car should have been to go over and apologise to Lewis. It wasn't and, again regardless of whether or not the crash or reversing was deliberate, that kinda sucked.
It would be like Hamilton celebrating last year after Brawn told Rosberg to stop trying to get past him but instead he got out of the car to talk to Nico and he had a glum look on his face for the rest of the weekend.

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Very interesting what's reported here: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 87102.html

translated: "Lewis Hamilton had failed to comply with the rules of the game at the Spanish GP . When it came down in the closing stages of the race to a duel between the two Mercedes drivers , Hamilton turned on the Überholmodus which releases more power over the MGU -H at the MGU -K.

Hamilton , however, had by the technicians do not have permission to do so. Rosberg stuck to the instructions of the command stand , fighting head to head with blunt weapons. Hamilton had to apologize to his colleagues after the race. Rosberg accepted."

If this is indeed true then it's pretty bad of Hamilton - almost similar to what Vettel did at Malaysia. Saying this, what I don't understand is why there would be an instruction for Hamilton to not use his full engine power when they're supposedly allowed to race? Is this why Mercedes have kept quiet on this issue as they're in-fact not allowing "true" racing and therefore if they came out and criticised Hamilton, then they themselves would also come under scrutiny. Ultimately, if you looked at the fuel usage of the last race, Hamilton saved a lot more fuel than Rosberg, so why couldn't he use that to his advantage at the end of the race and if he did turn up the setting then why couldn't Rosberg just do the same? If not then it's his own fault for using fuel. For Mercedes to say they both have to use a lesser engine mode at the end of the race when they know Rosberg will likely be behind on an alternate strategy (on better tyres) is a little suspect to me, maybe this is why Hamilton ignored it? hmmm...

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No doubt about it it - Rosberg did it on purpose !!!! :oops:

Look on Youtube where Herbert & Davidson have a discussion on this.

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What side of the grid is pole position at Monaco?

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I think it would make the race a little more interesting if there was more opportunity to pass. As it is I can only see Rosberg winning now, unless there is a mix up with a safety car/traffic.
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As far as i unterstand they only investigated the "mistake" (?) not the reversing? And it was a 50/50 decision so they went for in dubio pro reo since Rosberg has a clean slate ...

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SiLo wrote:I think it would make the race a little more interesting if there was more opportunity to pass. As it is I can only see Rosberg winning now, unless there is a mix up with a safety car/traffic.
Or if Hamilton is able to make a better start. If Hamilton gets alongside, I don't think he will yield.

It'll either be Merc 1-2 out of turn 1, or a safety car.

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tranquility2k4 wrote:Very interesting what's reported here: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 87102.html

translated: "Lewis Hamilton had failed to comply with the rules of the game at the Spanish GP . When it came down in the closing stages of the race to a duel between the two Mercedes drivers , Hamilton turned on the Überholmodus which releases more power over the MGU -H at the MGU -K.

Hamilton , however, had by the technicians do not have permission to do so. Rosberg stuck to the instructions of the command stand , fighting head to head with blunt weapons. Hamilton had to apologize to his colleagues after the race. Rosberg accepted."

If this is indeed true then it's pretty bad of Hamilton - almost similar to what Vettel did at Malaysia. Saying this, what I don't understand is why there would be an instruction for Hamilton to not use his full engine power when they're supposedly allowed to race? Is this why Mercedes have kept quiet on this issue as they're in-fact not allowing "true" racing and therefore if they came out and criticised Hamilton, then they themselves would also come under scrutiny. Ultimately, if you looked at the fuel usage of the last race, Hamilton saved a lot more fuel than Rosberg, so why couldn't he use that to his advantage at the end of the race and if he did turn up the setting then why couldn't Rosberg just do the same? If not then it's his own fault for using fuel. For Mercedes to say they both have to use a lesser engine mode at the end of the race when they know Rosberg will likely be behind on an alternate strategy (on better tyres) is a little suspect to me, maybe this is why Hamilton ignored it? hmmm...
Assuming it is true, it's most likely a reliability thing. Probably not so much during that short period, but it's a matter of principle. If you can afford it, you want to be as easy on the engine as possible. Mercedes obviously can afford it. So in order to make it fair, both drivers have to stick to the rules, otherwise they'd soon go into the quickest mode all the time, ultimately risking Mercedes results.

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mclaren111 wrote:No doubt about it it - Rosberg did it on purpose !!!! :oops:

Look on Youtube where Herbert & Davidson have a discussion on this.
Right, look at it and see that he clearly didn't do it on purpose.

Also, the stewards had the telemetry data, so if Herbert were right, they could have seen it. But even without that data, Davidson's explanation simply makes more sense. It's obvious that Herbert went in with a set opinion. Even Damon Hill disagreed with him.

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1. Sorry for not reading these 40 pages but I wanna know how much they are gonna fuel the cars bearing in mind that there is:
- the shortest race of the year
- at least one SC
- at least 10 laps of SC period
- so far (from the last 5 races) Lewis does seams to be a little bit better on fuel savings
2. Is the weather somewhat similar to China when at the race the temperature sudden dropped and caught Nico on the back foot?
3. And regarding the Rosberg matter I think he took a good lesson from JEV when he did the same thing in FP3, isn`t it?
4. Ricci did the best time in S3 and that is the reason for RB10 having the best a) mechanical grip or b) biggest downforce from all other?
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atanatizante wrote: - so far (from the last 5 races) Lewis does seams to be a little bit better on fuel savings
Fuel consumption is not a big deal in Monaco.