Monaco GP 2010 - Monte Carlo

[Ray]

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.[/color]



But the safety car was no longer deployed, it was safety car in.

Not in because thats the procedure, in because that was it for the safety car.

There is no way this wont get turned over in court.

Rules are rules and if the FIA can't get it correct you really do have to wonder!!!

MS will keep the 6th place, no doubt in my mind.

Taken directly from Formula1.com website about the 2010 sporting regulations about Safety Car procedures.



It clearly states:

40.12 Each lap completed while the safety car is deployed will be counted as a race lap.
40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

They were on the last lap, the safety car entered the pit lane on the last lap, and the cars were to take the checkered flag as normal without overtaking.

Cut and dried. MGP brake the rules and were justly punished. There is no argument, for once, about what the regulations state. The marshals did as they were supposed to, everyone proceeded to the finish line in order with exception to MGP driver Michael Schumacher. End of story.

How could you not be happy that Webber won?! Look at him! Who else does this awesome crazy stuff??

Didn't Christian Horner jump in the pool wearing a cape when they had a podium a few years ago? Nice to see them show some great emotion when doing good. Not nearly enough of that in F1 these days.

I also must commend Massa. He has said before he's not a huge fan of this track and after the injury he had last year to finish as well as he had this year, and especially 4th at a track he doesn't really like, is amazing in and of itself. Great race overall.

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.[/color]



But the safety car was no longer deployed, it was safety car in.

Not in because thats the procedure, in because that was it for the safety car.

well, the rule says it must get in if it is the last lap. period. How can you argue that it went in because that was it for the safety car?

Race control said the safety car was over, not that it would still be out. If it was still out then it would have come in - but for different reasons.

They said the SC was over, then gave Green flags.

Seriously, this would take any lawyer 30 seconds tops to sort out.

Yep, sure would. They would rule in accordance with the regulations. Pretty easy to see really.

[Mr Alcatraz]

Alonso charge? at Monaco?

Hail Caesar






Fred gained 17 positions

How many were after retirements

Lets see Button,

I'm pretty sure that their were more :-"

[vall]

I´m quite sure the decision will be overturned.
As the procedure to retract the safety car was announced!
If the race was to be ended underSC no action from the Racecontrol would have been necessary and :yellow flags would have been waved till the finish line.
The flags AND Light where green and I´m sure the flag signals in the car were green as well.So were does the discussion ground on? The last lap being under SC? but the
track was called green from the safety car line.. wich is officially the line from where you are allowed to overtake...clearly unclear regulation here and wrong flag signalling if the race wasto be ended under SC rules!

there is no rule that says this must be so!!!! Quite the opposite, if the SC is in the must weave green flags and green light must be turned on......

[djones]

Dont you get it???

The safety car was no longer deployed!!!!

Its not hard to understand. You dont even need to start looking up regulations and taking screenshots. Its all irrelivent. The SC WAS NO LONGER DEPLOYED.

[noname]

Because they must according to the regulations, but this does not mean they can race if it is the last lap. 40.13 clearly means:

SC last lap = race end under safety car = no overtaking (regardless the green flags)

I am not so certain as I see 2 options:

1. race is finished under SC. SC is entering the pit line, yellow flags are weaving, no racing and passing.
2. race is restarted. SC is entering the pit line, green flags are weaving, drivers are free to fight.

seems like the color of the flags could be the only differentiator.

I bet FIA will have to clarify the rules soon.

as for Mark. he has the drive of his life. few months back there were a lot of rumors what he will do once he will retire after 2010, but now this question starts to be inappropriate, I think.

[Miguel]

Tazio, after the first safety car Button would have ended behind Alonso anyway. Come on, had Alonso dispatched di Grassi swifter, he could have overtaken Hamilton.

[Mr. K]

Dont you get it???

The safety car was no longer deployed!!!!

Its not hard to understand. You dont even need to start looking up regulations and taking screenshots. Its all irrelivent. The SC WAS NO LONGER DEPLOYED.

THIS.

[Mr Alcatraz]

Tazio, after the first safety car Button would have ended behind Alonso anyway. Come on, had Alonso dispatched di Grassi swifter, he could have overtaken Hamilton.

What do I know?

[vall]

Because they must according to the regulations, but this does not mean they can race if it is the last lap. 40.13 clearly means:

SC last lap = race end under safety car = no overtaking (regardless the green flags)

I am not so certain as I see 2 options:

1. race is finished under SC. SC is entering the pit line, yellow flags are weaving, no racing and passing.
2. race is restarted. SC is entering the pit line, green flags are weaving, drivers are free to fight.

seems like the color of the flags could be the only differentiator.

I bet FIA will have to clarify the rules soon.

as for Mark. he has the drive of his life. few months back there were a lot of rumors what he will do once he will retire after 2010, but now this question starts to be inappropriate, I think.

no rule says they must have yellow flags. Read the regulations.

[Ray]

Dont you get it???

The safety car was no longer deployed!!!!

Its not hard to understand. You dont even need to start looking up regulations and taking screenshots. Its all irrelivent. The SC WAS NO LONGER DEPLOYED.

Maybe because they called the Safety Car in, DUE TO THE REGULATION STATING IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME IN BEFORE THE CHECKERED FLAG ON THE LAST LAP? Did you not think that was the very reason it came in?

[Mr Alcatraz]

Tazio, after the first safety car Button would have ended behind Alonso anyway. Come on, had Alonso dispatched di Grassi swifter, he could have overtaken Hamilton.

What do I know?

I'm glad that didn't happen black grease-paint stock would have shot off the charts in Spain
and the sub-continent

[vall]

Dont you get it???

The safety car was no longer deployed!!!!

Its not hard to understand. You dont even need to start looking up regulations and taking screenshots. Its all irrelivent. The SC WAS NO LONGER DEPLOYED.

Maybe because they called the Safety Car in, DUE TO THE REGULATION STATING IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME IN BEFORE THE CHECKERED FLAG ON THE LAST LAP? Did you not think that was the very reason it came in?

exactly

[Maxtreeme]

40.13 clearly means:

SC last lap = race end under safety car = no overtaking (regardless the green flags)

Regardless?
Excuse me, but green flag means you CAN race => you CAN overtake IMO they introduced the SC line overtake point (not the start/finish line) and forgot to update the rule(s) accordingly

[Mr. K]

Dont you get it???

The safety car was no longer deployed!!!!

Its not hard to understand. You dont even need to start looking up regulations and taking screenshots. Its all irrelivent. The SC WAS NO LONGER DEPLOYED.

Maybe because they called the Safety Car in, DUE TO THE REGULATION STATING IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME IN BEFORE THE CHECKERED FLAG ON THE LAST LAP? Did you not think that was the very reason it came in?

If the Safety Car comes in on the final lap but still is deployed there will still be yellow flags, no green ones

[djones]

Dont you get it???

The safety car was no longer deployed!!!!

Its not hard to understand. You dont even need to start looking up regulations and taking screenshots. Its all irrelivent. The SC WAS NO LONGER DEPLOYED.

Maybe because they called the Safety Car in, DUE TO THE REGULATION STATING IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME IN BEFORE THE CHECKERED FLAG ON THE LAST LAP? Did you not think that was the very reason it came in?

Race control said the safety car was in. I.E. the safety car period was over.

There are a lot of clever people on this forum, but how they are getting confused with something so straight cut and simple baffles me