Schumi deliberately blocks Monaco quali

[Tom]

Ok, fair point, but after doing so well in Practice and did anyone expect Button there either? Honestly?

[DaveKillens]

To suggest that we should accept this and, "get over it..." is silly. Clearly, when one is caught cheating, he must face consequences. I hope they can prove what happened in this incident. I'm a Ferrari/Schumacher fan, but less so now.

Maybe I put my message out incorrectly. I just don't think people should defend anyone's actions, they are there to be witnessed. I have cheered for many Ferrari drivers, I have even cheered for Shu when he was locked in titanic battles with McLaren for his first Ferrari title, and used cunning strategy and great driving to win. But just because a driver has many records and is truly great ( I do grant that to Shu, he is that good), I cannot accept him as a sportsman, and free of flaws. In a world where sportsmanship and clean play is promoted, he definitely is not their poster boy.
Those Ferrari fans should stop defending his actions because he's willing to do unethical things for a win. He is incredibly skilled and competent, even now a benchmark for other drivers to aspire to. But a dirty driver as ruthless as they come.
The day he retires I won't shed a tear or feel any loss. I'll just breathe a sigh of relief, and say, "one less bad apple".

[USAF1FAN]

To DaveKillens:

Agreed. I've been watching replays of his "missed turn", if he is not held accountable for this it'll be another black eye for F1.

[DaveKillens]

Jacques Villeneuve has jumped into the fray with his own scathing comments.
"I hope it was deliberate, because if that was a mistake he should not even have a F1 superlicence," Villeneuve raged to Autosport. "If you can make a mistake like that, you shouldn't drive a race car. There's no way you could make a mistake like that.
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"This is embarrassing. Embarrassing for a world champion. It would even be embarrassing for Ide."

http://www.planetf1.com/News/Story_Page ... 49,00.html

[JimmyK]

As DaveKillens was saying earlier, there are other brilliant drivers who have resorted to tactics like this too (though I've now seen the footage again, and he just didn't try, did he?)

I think Senna once drove straight into Schumacher deliberately, and Senna's words were: 'that's sorted the little s@&t'

[Principessa]

I've just watched some more pictures of the press conference. Schumi really really seemed to have fun in it! His expressions and bodylanguage were saying it all.

The stewards are still investigating, but to be honoust, we all find him guilty but the stewards won't. They won't take the risk of punishing shumi, even if this means that the whole paddock will be upside down tomorrow. Schumi will be on pole. Ferrari isn't that stupid to say something over the radio that would made it suspicious and Schumi himself knows when he has to pull a stunt like that as we've noticed in the past! And again, the German will get away with it

[wazojugs]

Something i found on another website, sorry for looking at other sites Principessa/ Tomba

Why Did Schumi Do It?
Saturday May 27 2006

No, I couldn't quite believe it either. The moment Schumacher ran wide at Rascasse in Qualifying for Monaco and parked the car there it was obvious he didn't want to continue. For a start, the tyres of his Ferrari weren't even up against the Armco, (and for those who doubt it, look at the in-car footage).

The biggest question wasn't DID he do it deliberately. It was quite obvious he did it deliberately. It was WHY he did it? Why risk his reputation as a seven-times World Champion, the greatest points scorer, GP winner, pole-sitter, driver etc of all time.

In the press conference he had his guilty "post-Austria 2002" face on. This was the uncomfortable post-race press conference he had to endure after the Ferrari team had asked Rubens Barrichello to move over and give up the win to him. Schumacher was booed off the podium. At the time Schumi made out that he didn't know what was going on (not true, as it turned out) and referred people to "Mr.Todt".

Luckily on Saturday he had the poodle-like Peter Windsor (a man who worships the ground he walks on) asking the questions in the post-Qualifying press conference and so he got away with it. Though the fact that he momentarily forgot one of the most famous corners in F1 - Rascasse - set alarm bells ringing.

Schumi also seemed unable to describe what had happened that made him run on, just that he was pushing hard. Given that Rascasse along with Lowes/Gran Hotel hairpin is one of the two slowest corners in F1, it's very difficult to get wrong. In the 25 years I've been watching F1 races I can't remember anyone losing it there on a qualifying lap on good tyres.

After we came out of the press conference the ITV crew were very suspicious too.

"Didn't he look a bit sheepish?" asked pundit Mark Blundell who's driven the corner many hundreds of time in his career. "It's difficult to have an accident there."

"There wasn't a conviction in what he was saying and you get the feeling that he parked it and then realised it was the wrong thing to do."

Menawhile, Ted Kravitz had been speaking to other people in the pitlane. "I've been talking to other teams who've come to me and said Ferrari are a disgrace, they're an absolute disgrace. They're all sure he did it deliberately"

So, no healthy differences of opinion, only one conclusion if you're not wearing red.

Flavio Briatore was similarly disgusted with Schumacher. "I think he is taking everyone for a ride. Someone who was seven times a world champion wants us to believe that he didn't do it on purpose - it's fairyland.

"And given that we are not Snow White and the Seven Dwarves I think that what he did was unsporting and against everything.

"It's really astonishing what he did. Incredible."

Though Schumacher has been mired in controversy throughout his career, stretching back from his pre-F1 days, this is potentially the most serious. This is one incident he can't afford to back down from. It's serious because it could cast a cloud over his exit from F1.

And even if nothing is done before the race on Sunday it will still rage on all season. In the 1997 Jerez GP, when he was fighting for the lead and the World Championship with Jacques Villeneuve, he tried to take Villeneuve out and put himself into the gravel. At the time it was dismissed as a racing incident by stewards, but Schumacher was subsequently punished by the FIA. And years later he admitted to Jeremy Clarkson that yes, he did drive into Jacques.

Schumacher has had similar clashes with Mika Hakkinen, Damon Hill and used to be well-known for his Schu-weave, a manoeuvre which almost pinned his brother against a pitwall, caused Montoya to lose the Brazilian GP and once put Alonso on the grass at Silverstone.

But the incident that is most telling is the start of the 2000 Austrian GP when he was hit by an overzealous Ricardo Zonta in Turn 1. Schumacher's Ferrari had a deranged front wing at the first corner and so Schumi drove his car onto the racing line and then switched the engine off. He was hoping for a red flag and a re-start. Instead he got a Safety Car and no re-start.

Today the ghosts of 1997, of 2000 and of 2002 reappeared. Jean Todt had said that there was some fun missing from F1 and his team have certainly injected it. This incident will be talked about for years to come.

[vyselegend]

No, I don't think they will dare do nothing against him. Fisichella have just seen his 3 fastest laps cancelled for being suspected of non inententionaly slowing down DC! Now imagine the fuss if you punish heavily a driver for suspicions of non intentional blocking of one driver, and an other one who park his car in the middle of the line and spoil laps of at least three people without any punishment!!!

I'm not saying there will be a riot in monaco, F1, unlike footbal, is a sport of gentleman (you know, that sort of guy that never cheats ) but with all the front and rear wings incidents, then the carbon ring, and now this, it is becoming such a farce that Max & Bernie will start to fear for F1's credit. Remember every time they're accusated of adventaging Ferrari, they choose to pretend it wasn't true, so with this strategy they can't allow themselve to protect MS after such a move in front of everyone!

I think if the punishment for non intentional blocking is the annulation of your laps, for what he've done MS will be disqualified.

[janus]

i just see again the video shumi miss the tourn before rascace istu close to da rail and trays to correct and lokk the whell again the big error is not on rascace is before the trejectory is already bad....

The drivers ...alonso... had 10 minutes tu put the fastest lap and he did not and now is complaning if didf the fasttest lap before shumi it the wal it did not matter....

f1 is getting a place for crying babys ..... and senna it prost and prost it senna noby has complaning but if you are a 7 world champions the other drivers get upset because they only won 1.......

[wazojugs]

i just see again the video shumi miss the tourn before rascace istu close to da rail and trays to correct and lokk the whell again the big error is not on rascace is before the trejectory is already bad....

The drivers ...alonso... had 10 minutes tu put the fastest lap and he did not and now is complaning if didf the fasttest lap before shumi it the wal it did not matter....

f1 is getting a place for crying babys ..... and senna it prost and prost it senna noby has complaning but if you are a 7 world champions the other drivers get upset because they only won 1.......

don't feed the trolls

[vyselegend]

i just see again the video shumi miss the tourn before rascace istu close to da rail and trays to correct and lokk the whell again the big error is not on rascace is before the trejectory is already bad....

If you had really seen that video you would have seen that after locking and finding grip again, he stopped turning right and put his teering wheel straight aiming at the wall!!! Of course he didn't hit that wall, for the simple reason he was so slow that he could certainly turn and enter the pit.
As you say Alonso and Raikonen had the time given by the rule to put the fastest lap, and that is precisely what they've done, until a driver parked his car in their way in a desperate attempt to stop them, cause he wasn't able to do it with his pretended talent within the respect of the rules.

And if you don't like crying babys, stop being one to begin with. Today MS have spoiled the qualy, that's a fact, you're the one who cry when we point this out.

[Principessa]

Oh please Janus. You have to admit it was suspicious! All the other F1 drivers even the ones who weren't on track at that moment say it was a deliberate move!! So all of them are wrong??

Alexander Wurz said it as well. And he has nothing to gain by saying false things about schumi!! He isn't even in a race seat, but he does have a great amount of experience and knows what he's talking about! Just like the rest of the f1 drivers!

And btw: Alonso wasn't whinning. Alonso stayed very diplomatic and said nothing bad about the incident. Only the truth, that his last lap was a lot faster than Schumi's time and if that stupid Ferrari wasn't in the way he was on pole! Everybody saw that!!!

And Schumi doesn't have to say during the FIA press conference that he didn't had time to put his car in reverse and get out of the way, because he did! There was plenty of time before the williams car and Trulli arrived in that turn!! Excuses excuses!

[f1.redbaron]

And btw: Alonso wasn't whinning. Alonso stayed very diplomatic and said nothing bad about the incident.

I couldn't believe how he managed to restrain himself. Had it been me, I would've reached over and started choking him. That was very mature of Alonso and, in my book, his stock went up.

And Schumi doesn't have to say during the FIA press conference that he didn't had time to put his car in reverse and get out of the way, because he did! There was plenty of time before the williams car and Trulli arrived in that turn!! Excuses excuses!

I don't think that it had anything to do with time. He said that he didn't want to risk his life or the life of any other driver by reversing back onto the track. Let's face it, where he was, backing up onto the track would've put Trulli and Webber (?) in danger (they were almost right behind him). Also, their respective teams wouldn't have had the time to convey the message that Schumacher had stopped and is now backing up onto the race track...and even if they did, it would've still messed up at least Trulli's, Webber's and Fisichella's laps.

[janus]

You have to admit it was suspicious! but you have to admit that we did a mistake at that corner frist ....maybe we take the oportunaty of that error to do that stunt but i am geving the benefit of doubt

Alonso did very well..not talking...that was the thing that all the other gyus whoud have done

wurz and monty should be quiet .monty is talking about the eror of the others and we in the last race dud a bud one...

one thing a dod agree is the penalaty for fisico if they penalyse fico ..shumi shoulf be to and rubens for bloling monteiro e lost 0.5s beacause of rubens

[kilcoo316]

http://www.bluetentacle.com/MS_cheating.avi


Here is a link.


I'd like someone to explain the two seperate but identical vibrations through the camera when the rear suspension unloads in the corner.

You can clearly see the back end step out the first time (and the vibrations), and MS counter steer.


You can see the vibrations the 2nd time, but no slip angle, and MS counter steers.


Is it not possible the steering wheel told him both times the back end was starting to break (or in the 2nd instance about to loose it)? It would certainly be a very strong possibility for me.