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Following a long meeting and discussions between the involved teams, Brawn GP, Williams and Toyota have been given allowance to compete in this weekend's Australian Grand Prix with their current diffuser designs.
Flavio cries foul everytime his team are out thought and out done. He should manage a spec formula not F1 where innovation rules.Timstr wrote:According to Briatore there are three teams with illegal diffusers.
The 3rd team he's talking about has to be Brawn than.
He is still rightly pissed off over his mass-damper being banned - Renault have been more cautious regarding rules and you can see why. However I agree with him that things get banned/declared legal to spontaneously - clear cut rules or a fairer way of banning things would reduce the screaming and shouting. Don't forget F1 R&D is probably the highest cost - thinking that for exmaple 'researching the diffuser in a certain way' is illegal and finding your rivals have done what you thought to be illegal - a proper piss taking moment - you would feel like "*&£$ I understood it as illegal - we had the time and money to do that instead of the --- we did" (and this type of reasoning goes for anyone).axle wrote:Flavio cries foul everytime his team are out thought and out done. He should manage a spec formula not F1 where innovation rules.Timstr wrote:According to Briatore there are three teams with illegal diffusers.
The 3rd team he's talking about has to be Brawn than.
As was said, this has been done for a few years now, and some thought the new rules made them illegal (obviously Symonds at Renault who was the one to suggest de-coupling the rear wing and diffusor), but when these other teams went to the FIA for clarification BEFORE degign was began to get the OK, they effectively can argue that they sought clarification from the governing body, and was assured as to its legality.Metar wrote:News from the FIA:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulati ... nship.aspx
ARTICLE 3 : BODYWORK AND DIMENSIONS
(Ammemndment 18/03/09 (Mav)):
One of the purposes of the regulations under Article 3 below is to minimize the detrimental effect that the wake of
a car may have on a following car.
Furthermore, infinite precision can be assumed on certain dimensions provided it is clear that such an assumption
is not being made in order to circumvent or subvert the intention of the relevant regulation.
Effectively, doesn't think mean the FIA have banned the Brawn diffuser?
Well in this case then, then I think Williams' and Toyota's interpretations are effectively incorrect and illegal.Metar wrote:News from the FIA:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulati ... nship.aspx
ARTICLE 3 : BODYWORK AND DIMENSIONS
(Ammemndment 18/03/09 (Mav)):
One of the purposes of the regulations under Article 3 below is to minimize the detrimental effect that the wake of
a car may have on a following car.
Furthermore, infinite precision can be assumed on certain dimensions provided it is clear that such an assumption
is not being made in order to circumvent or subvert the intention of the relevant regulation.
Effectively, doesn't think mean the FIA have banned the Brawn diffuser?
Yeah I caught that too, Max showing his lack of understanding?Gecko wrote:In the words of Max Mosley on some of the diffusers: ""It is a curious idea in a way - where you are not allowed two surfaces, you have a surface and then something that is not a surface because it is unsprung. The view on our technical people is that it is okay, we will wait and see if someone challenges it."
Now this strikes me as odd. If a thing is unsprung, it must somehow be connected to the suspension elements then? Or is Max simply mixing things up here?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you try to explain?Well in this case then, then I think Williams' and Toyota's interpretations are effectively incorrect and illegal.
Brawn's interpretation is a different matter altogether. Their interpretation of the same rule is brilliant!
The tests for "precision" prescribed by the relevant rule: ...Any intersection of the surfaces in this area with a lateral or longitudinal vertical plane should form one continuous line which is visible from beneath the car
...any bodywork in this area must produce uniform, solid, hard, continuous, rigid (no degree of freedom in relation to the body/chassis unit), impervious surfaces under all circumstances.
However which way you look at it, Brawn's diffuser passes these while Toyota's and Williams' are very shady. That "curvy" surface on the Brawn Diffuser is A SINGLE SURFACE. Pass any (longitudinal/lateral) vertical plane unto that diffuser surface and you will get a single continous line.
