2012 Italian Grand Prix - Monza

[bhall]

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I think there is something going on with the Red Bull design that is causing this.

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Indeed. Newey's creations aren't exactly known for robust reliability.

[zyphro]

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I think there is something going on with the Red Bull design that is causing this.

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Indeed. Newey's creations aren't exactly known for robust reliability.

Tight packaging, like 2010?

[FoxHound]

Not to be rude...but I find your comment offensive.

Generalising a race/culture is a big no no...especially on this forum.

It's not offensive. Italians are fiercely proud of their Pasta, Mama's, Fashion and Ferrari and rightly so...hence why when they get beat, they don't like it and boo. There was no offence intended and I did mention it was a generalisation, as some prefer Maserati, Pizza, Papa and Levi's.
But the fact remains the Italian public boo'ed the winner, Hamilton. Not everyone, but a rather large portion(generalisation again)And I put forward pretty valid reasons for it.
Would the English boo Alonso had he won in Silverstone? 50/50 on that, but the reasons for it would be more cerebral than what we saw today(history of Alonso at McLaren).
I detest booing. It shows a real lack of understanding and character form the people who did it. I think there could be a classic case of Deindividuation theory going on, where a vast minority started it and the crowds precipitated to continue the boos.
What is important right now though, is that I intended no malice with the post and am merely going by what I have experienced during my tenure in Italia, a great if somewhat overly graffiti'd society.

[myurr]

Did anyone notice Button going green through sector 1 while Vergne's car was parked on the grass?

He was a good half second faster than the other front runners on that lap in the first sector. Yet there was no mention of a penalty. which I was suprised with as only yesterday Aaro Vainio was handed out a 20 second penalty for an exact same thing (ignoring yellow flags)

There was a good 30+ minutes before Jensons car stopped so its not like the stewards didnt need to hand out a penalty as after he did it he went on to Pass Massa and pull away.

Im a Mclaren Fan so I was happy for him to not be penalised at the time, Im just annoyed at the Inconsistency of the Stewards!!!

Yeah, commented on that at the time. Surprised it wasn't investigated, and I say that as a McLaren fan.

[marcush.]

the enemy of everything electronics is temperature and vibration .
But it´s not just temperature but also gradients one has to consider.So it may well feature no more in terms of absolute temps -same temperature on the stickers-but steeper climbs ,or lomnger periods at higher temps ..I´m pretty sure the teams do not really look tooo much into this ...as on race weekends you got different priorities and it´s something you cannot really look into on the dyno as the periiphery is completely different...so do they have 20 temp sensors to analyse the alternator or its environment ? or do they try to simulate what s going on using their underbonnet simulation...and what is its worth...
Isn´t it quite apalling to see this many technical issues on all the cars this season? i thought the regs are stable ..one would
assume this does lead to increased reliability ..but Macs ,Ferrari,ReDBull,Merc ,all seem to suffer from technical issues ..why ?

[PlatinumZealot]

Great Race!

Perez is the real Big man! he made all the right moves on his first stint to secure a relatively clear path on his second! A very gutsy strategy. I really wonder though, why didn' the the other teams set the car up to do a plan like this? Kobayashi?

Vettel is a real Champion driver.. he is definitely getting better on his race craft.

Alonso is Alonso... making those decisive moves at the start, making his way up to pounce... It is a shame he burnt out his tyres doing all that battling.

Hamilton was flawless again. I was a little sad to see Button drop out though.

On the Vettel Alonso incident, Vettel was dead wrong. The telemetry showed that he moved his car outwards to the border of the track to push Alonso off. It was a no brainer decision by the Stewards.

[SeijaKessen]

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I think there is something going on with the Red Bull design that is causing this.

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Indeed. Newey's creations aren't exactly known for robust reliability.

Renault engines also use air cooling instead of liquid cooling for the alternators.

Given Newey's penchant for trying to design cars around aero, one has to wonder if he may have played around with any of the duct work leading to the alternator on Vettel's car in an effort to find some sort of aero gain for Monza.

[SeijaKessen]

the enemy of everything electronics is temperature and vibration .
But it´s not just temperature but also gradients one has to consider.So it may well feature no more in terms of absolute temps -same temperature on the stickers-but steeper climbs ,or lomnger periods at higher temps ..I´m pretty sure the teams do not really look tooo much into this ...as on race weekends you got different priorities and it´s something you cannot really look into on the dyno as the periiphery is completely different...so do they have 20 temp sensors to analyse the alternator or its environment ? or do they try to simulate what s going on using their underbonnet simulation...and what is its worth...
Isn´t it quite apalling to see this many technical issues on all the cars this season? i thought the regs are stable ..one would
assume this does lead to increased reliability ..but Macs ,Ferrari,ReDBull,Merc ,all seem to suffer from technical issues ..why ?

Marcus, though the one thing about Monza is it has virtually no elevation changes outside of the run to Ascari.

The only areas that have any increased gradient are the Curva Grande, the Lesmos, and the Parabolica...and there's nothing overly extreme about any of the levels, no? I think the Peraltada at Hermanos Rodriguez had more banking than the Parabolica did, and it is a similar corner.

[myurr]

Marcus, though the one thing about Monza is it has virtually no elevation changes outside of the run to Ascari.

The only areas that have any increased gradient are the Curva Grande, the Lesmos, and the Parabolica...and there's nothing overly extreme about any of the levels, no? I think the Peraltada at Hermanos Rodriguez had more banking than the Parabolica did, and it is a similar corner.

He means temperature gradient rather than just absolute temperature, not elevation changes.

[NathanOlder]

Hamilton was in clean air while Alonso never. With Pirelli tyres, it's make a huge difference.

Massa ran most of his race in clean air, didnt have to fight anyone on his hard tyres, yet he has said he was dissapointed by the tyre wear! This is a Ferrari remember. So you cant blame fighting in traffic for this problem

[Donuts]

I must say I really am impressed with Kimi Raikkonen, he made the most out of it yet again! He's set himself up for the titlefight.

Lotus GP made a mess out of these two low downforce packages. Now it's back to their turf, warm weather and med/high downforce circuits.

Q: What’s still the best thing about being a Formula One driver?
KR: For sure not talking to the media. I am not a big fan of b*llsh*t questions.

[zeph]

I thought this was definitely one of Grosjean's best starts ofthe year.

[Cuky]

Is there any word on Fernando's car under investigation by stewards?
I can't find anything about that, but our media are talking about it (Croatian media)

[SeijaKessen]

Marcus, though the one thing about Monza is it has virtually no elevation changes outside of the run to Ascari.

The only areas that have any increased gradient are the Curva Grande, the Lesmos, and the Parabolica...and there's nothing overly extreme about any of the levels, no? I think the Peraltada at Hermanos Rodriguez had more banking than the Parabolica did, and it is a similar corner.

He means temperature gradient rather than just absolute temperature, not elevation changes.

Whoops!

Keep moving along, nothing to see.

[Redragon]

About Vettel Drive through was deserve it. Also stewards might have been a bit sensible after what happen last week but still, from my point of view well deserve it. I would like to know your opinions if he was Maldonado.

In any case, Alonso passed Vettel before the drive through so the only complain about stewards decision it is it might had penalized on his overall fight for worldchampionship if he hadn't retired.