Ferrari F2012

[raymondu999]

So, any updates planned for Monza?

Ferrari? Do you even have to ask? It's been a while since Ferrari hasn't brought a Monza-specific package...

[F1.Ru]

So, any updates planned for Monza?

Ferrari? Do you even have to ask? It's been a while since Ferrari hasn't brought a Monza-specific package...

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and neither any other teams in the F1 dare to retain the same package for or able to retain the same usual package in case of Monza. Now 107% rules even made smaller team to invest a portion of their resource to develop updates for Monaco, Spa and Monza.

As its the home venue for Ferrari they will certainly try to do their best for that race surely..........

[F1.Ru]

Stefano Domenicali
Monza's high-speed nature means that teams have to develop one-off packages for that event. "Am I confident? What I can say is that it is a one-off configuration for everybody, so we have to see how the others have prepared for Monza. "In my view it was good to see in Belgium that we have recovered speed, which is important obviously, as we can see up to now, every race is different. "From my side it is important that what has been prepared for aero, with gear ratios, with set-up, is done right, because it will be a very important race for us."

SPEED TRAP RESULT FROM 2012 FORMULA 1 SHELL BELGIAN GRAND PRIX

Pos No Driver Time of Day Speed

1 1 Sebastian Vettel 14:35:28 310.6
2 2 Mark Webber 14:59:40 309.7
3 5 Fernando Alonso 14:09:54 308.4
4 6 Felipe Massa 14:10:16 307.7
5 17 Jean-Eric Vergne 14:40:40 307.6
6 18 Pastor Maldonado 14:59:05 306.4
7 7 Michael Schumacher 14:41:48 304.4
8 16 Daniel Ricciardo 14:08:15 303.9
9 11 Paul di Resta 14:40:18 303.7
10 19 Bruno Senna 14:07:23 303.7
11 14 Kamui Kobayashi 14:18:50 303.4
12 15 Sergio Perez 14:04:05 302.4
13 22 Pedro de la Rosa 14:08:19 302.4
14 12 Nico Hulkenberg 14:41:04 302.3
15 8 Nico Rosberg 14:08:38 301.5
16 3 Jenson Button 14:59:49 301.2
17 10 Romain Grosjean 14:59:33 300.3
18 24 Timo Glock 14:06:36 300.2
19 23 Narain Karthikeyan 14:17:44 300.0
20 9 Kimi Räikkönen 14:59:27 300.0
21 4 Lewis Hamilton 14:41:31 296.4
22 25 Charles Pic 14:18:50 296.3
23 20 Heikki Kovalainen 14:08:06 294.0
24 21 Vitaly Petrov 14:07:50 292.2

Form the speed trap result it is really interesting to see that first 5 driver who have topped the speed trap are qualified in position of 6-14, where as if we think about pole setter and 2nd and 3rd person in qualifying they only managed to do 16th , 11th and a 6th place respectively in the speed trap. That does indicate that top speed is not enough to get higher grid position in Spa rater a optimum Drag/Downforce ratio is required. So should we say that F2012 shed huge amount of downforce just to get top speed, which might not enough to take battle with car having maintaining optimum level of Drag/Downforce ratio respectively to their car. Though the data show this, may be top speed is more beneficial in the race than in the qualifying.

A small comparison of previous two year Rear Wing used in Monza

2011 - Ferrari 150° Italia


2010 - Ferrari F10

[Gerhard Berger]

I believe the speed trap was located at the bottom of eau rouge (or maybe the top) but it definitely wasn't the end of the kemmel straight, so these values do not really show top speed.

[Mazdaboy]

Sector and trap speed from the race:



Massa's top speed was 322 in the end of Kemmel straight.

[wizzer]

I think Ferrari ran the same kind of set up than RB, low drag but short gearing for race purpose as they did similar sector times in quali' and they both been fairly quick in 1st and 3rd sectors, quick at the top of eau rouge but not so quick at the end of kemmel.

http://184.106.145.74/fia-f1/f1-2012/f1 ... 0Times.pdf

[amouzouris]

I didn't know where to post this so i will post it here that the top speed matter is already being discussed...

i made a small analysis...



its the time each of the top team drivers did vs their trap speed...

now if i factor out Massa and Grosjean a clearer trend can be seen...


it looks like button hit the best possible L/D ratio...

i know that times also depend on other things but i think that there is definitely a valid trend there!

[Owen.C93]

The only reason you concluded that button had the best drag to DF setup is because he qualified on Pole, of course he was going to have the lowest time on that graph.

[amouzouris]

The only reason you concluded that button had the best drag to DF setup is because he qualified on Pole, of course he was going to have the lowest time on that graph.

what i am trying to show is that there was a trend...cs on the left side and the right side of where button is on the graph....times increase....and they increase steadily with a trend

[gato azul]

I didn't know where to post this so i will post it here that the top speed matter is already being discussed...

i made a small analysis...
snip/

Good idea, maybe you should try a "curve fit" to the data points, rather then just joining the via lines.
To make it statistical a bit more "sound", you may want to do the same with the 10 best laps in the race or something
similar, to get less influence from "outliners" in your trend.

It would be interesting to see a "data point cloud" for the race, maybe the best 5-10 laps and then try a curve fit through the cloud and show a comparison of the top 5 finishers etc.

Nice idea - nonetheless

Edit:
I mean the 5-10 best laps of each driver you would like to compare, not the 5-10 best laps overall.
If you feel this is too much, try the best 3 laps of each driver, just to get a broader data base.

[amouzouris]

I didn't know where to post this so i will post it here that the top speed matter is already being discussed...

i made a small analysis...
snip/

Good idea, maybe you should try a "curve fit" to the data points, rather then just joining the via lines.
To make it statistical a bit more "sound", you may want to do the same with the 10 best laps in the race or something
similar, to get less influence from "outliners" in your trend.

It would be interesting to see a "data point cloud" for the race, maybe the best 5-10 laps and then try a curve fit through the cloud and show a comparison of the top 5 finishers etc.

Nice idea - nonetheless

sadly it would be hard to validate it for the race because of the different strategies and because of the Pirellis..almost anyone can set a fastest lap with new tires on and clean air... Bruno Senna has the fastest lap...

(i'm not complaining about the Pirellis now...i love the racing Pirelli has produced this year!)

[Crucial_Xtreme]

The F2012 went well for the most part at Spa and certainly had potential to finish well in the race, Felipe did and one would believe Fernando would've done even better than his teammate. The team said as much claiming they found some pace. So with the Monza-spec car I'm expecting the F2012 to be quite competitive. Obviously a new/er FW & RW for sure and I think we'll probably see some small tweaks to bargeboards & possibly to the diffuser. First pics will arrive tomorrow. )

[Hail22]

The F2012 went well for the most part at Spa and certainly had potential to finish well in the race, Felipe did and one would believe Fernando would've done even better than his teammate. The team said as much claiming they found some pace. So with the Monza-spec car I'm expecting the F2012 to be quite competitive. Obviously a new/er FW & RW for sure and I think we'll probably see some small tweaks to bargeboards & possibly to the diffuser. First pics will arrive tomorrow. )

Also new slotted floor on Alonso' car...but we shall see

[alogoc]

pictures are late!

[scuderiaF2012]

pictures are late!

seems like it, but better late then never...