Lewis Hamilton has dominantly won the Italian GP, leading the Grand Prix for nearly the entire distance. Sergio Pérez in the Sauber finished in a brilliant second place with an impressive second half of the race. Fernando Alonso is third, having started from 10th position.
Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:
Hamilton was in clean air while Alonso never. With Pirelli tyres, it's make a huge difference.
Massa ran most of his race in clean air, didnt have to fight anyone on his hard tyres, yet he has said he was dissapointed by the tyre wear! This is a Ferrari remember. So you cant blame fighting in traffic for this problem
Alonso also ran most of the second stint, where tyre wear was poor, in free air. He only had to clear Vettel and then was on his own aside from a lap behind Massa (two if you want to be very generous as to the size of the wake).
myurr wrote:Of interest though is why the stewards didn't investigate Alonso pushing Di Resta off the track in the same place on the first lap, or Di Resta pushing Senna completely off the track a few laps later, to the extent that he had to take to the escape road.
Because Alonso doesn;t cry fiul when he is dishing out dirt. Its only when he is on the receiving end. I find him to be a cynical cheat and the stewards just devalued the sport by being so blatantly one sided.
Just bad losers really. I was at Silverstone in 2011 and Alonso was applauded and fans were disappointed but accepted that the best driver on the day won.
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That really is shameful. I hope the FIA do threaten them with the removal of the race from 2014 if that behaviour continues next year. There shouldn't be any place in F1 for that level of abuse for whatever reason.
NathanOlder wrote:Just shows you what a racist bunch they are
Just bad losers really. I was at Silverstone in 2011 and Alonso was applauded and fans were disappointed but accepted that the best driver on the day won.
I didn't want to mention the "R" word regarding this, but the monkey noises they were making says it all tbh.
I wonder how Alonso felt about all that.....whether he was ashamed or not.....
That really is shameful. I hope the FIA do threaten them with the removal of the race from 2014 if that behaviour continues next year. There shouldn't be any place in F1 for that level of abuse for whatever reason.
And every year Lega Nord is allowed to storm the track with their Padania flags....
Finishing races is important, but racing is more important.
I have no strong feelings towards/against either Alonso or Vettel, but I think Vettel has been on the edge a little bit in the past in his defensive driving. I think you could make a case he made two defensive moves on the pit straight on the same lap as the Curva Grande incident. In that incident, to me, it looked as if Alonso got his front wheels alongside Vettel's rear wheels and the clarification issued at Silverstone effectively said that's where you have to stop your defensive line, didn't it? That's how I understood it anyway, you have to stop edging towards the other driver once they get their front wing alongside your rear wheels.
But then, it also looked to me as if Alonso did the same to di Resta on the first lap and di Resta later on to Senna. And these two incidents weren't even investigated. So, while I feel a punishment was justified, these two incidents should have also been at least investigated and di Resta at least seemed pretty clear cut over the line.
Solid drive from Hamilton and Button, shame for Button that he had the mechnical failure.
The alternator redesign from RBR that Ted Kravitz described doesn't seem to have given them the desired result of no more failures. It seems fair enough that if they had to redesign it anyway, that they should try to get a performance edge out of it at the same time. But surely preventing a failure is primary concern if you are redesigning because of a failure?
It does seem like Kimi Raikkonen and Lotus need a win to a) keep their respective championship hopes alive and b) be taken serious as contenders. Raikkonen is 3d, 1 point behind Hamilton and not even a mention from the pundits, just Simon Lazenby stating he keeps on collecting the points. I'd bet these pundits would still laugh at Ted Kravitz for saying Kimi is a serious contender even though they just got done saying Hamilton is seriously back in it now.
SeijaKessen wrote:Marcus, though the one thing about Monza is it has virtually no elevation changes outside of the run to Ascari.
The only areas that have any increased gradient are the Curva Grande, the Lesmos, and the Parabolica...and there's nothing overly extreme about any of the levels, no? I think the Peraltada at Hermanos Rodriguez had more banking than the Parabolica did, and it is a similar corner.
He means temperature gradient rather than just absolute temperature, not elevation changes.
yep. that was my idea of it . I know from my workj that temperature cycling is one of the killers for everything electrionics so maybe the RedBull has something on offer to the alternator the other teams using the french engine don´t....I´m sure Renault is looking at the maximum temps (as it is measured on the circuit board anyways)and would rise the finger if there was something unacceptable happenimng so it has to be something stressing the component more than on other cars....mind you last time it happened it was just after a pacecar period...so maybe it is something that is caused by a low
cooling air flow initially and develops into a real problem only later.
isolating a cqomponent with foamlike heat shields can help cut the peaks but inevitably will rise average temperature of the component a little bit ...so maybe they had a "good"idea and erased some of the shielding..
With all of the history Lewis has with Massa, Kimi (while at SF) and Alonso, why does anyone think the Tifosi would welcome him open handed? Button was greeted quite well last two years... Also, put yourselves in their position, your driver gets a mechanical failure in qualifying, starts 10th and ends up on a podium, while the other guy gets pole and has absolutely no trouble getting the win. They felt cheated, especially considering Alonso stated they were chasing 1:23.5 in Q3... That's 0.5s faster than Lewis. In their heads, Lewis was the embodiment of all the bad luck. Taking those two things into account, still surprised? And that's not even mentioning their national pride, the special atmosphere they make... Nobody makes greater noise than the Tifosi in F1 world and they are the best fans by far in that department...
