2018 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 8-10

[djos]

I wonder if the mgu-k mismatch had anything to do with it?

[sosic2121]

If it was up to me, the steps that the FIA/Liberty should be taking to improve the racing:

1. Reduce the width of the cars. Tracks like Montreal, Monaco, Singapore etc. are just too narrow to see close wheel-to-wheel racing now and that forces straight-line overtakes using DRS.

2. Tyres need to be made noticeably less durable. Pretty much all the top cars could have completed the entire race on one set of Super Soft tyres today if the rules allowed - make the most durable tyre each weekend capable of completing a maximum of 50% race distance to encourage multiple pit stops. With seven different compounds they should have been able to make sets soft enough to degrade at Monaco/Canada this year, they cant use that as an excuse.

3. Cheaper, less complicated engines with increased season allocation. My idea would be a 2.0l turbo-hybrid, to ditch the MGU-H entirely (which isn’t even road-car relevant), increase the current fuel flow rate and a up the current rev limit so that total power doesn’t drop. Allow five engine elements not three so that teams aren’t limping home from half-distance every race. By making the engines cheaper the extra units would make the total annual engine spend around the same. This less complex formula will probably also encourage more engine manufacturers into the sport.

4. Somehow find a way to make smaller teams more competitive. Today, the top six cars lapped every other car on track and that is just not acceptable. I can’t think of a really easy way of achieving this off the top of my head (perhaps the answer is reworking the prize money allocation, perhaps it is more standardised parts such as brakes) but a two-tier formula is terrible for everyone and it needs to be addressed.

I mostly agree with you. We are all forgetting that overtaking was possible 2 years ago! Then we had overtakes, today we have hype about lap records.

Tires. Thermal degradation needs to go. All 7 races this year 1 stop is the best strategy. Maybe we will see monstersoft next year

We have two tier formula because of this PUs. To change this we would need some cheap and simple engines, like v8 + KERS. IMO fuel flow limit needs to go.

[ThumbsUp]

I wonder if the mgu-k mismatch had anything to do with it?

Ricciardo doesn't think so, Max had a great weekend and was faster all race.

[LM10]

I am pleasantly surprised with Ferrari´s performance. Well, let´s say Vettel´s performance.

1. The race pace was very good, he was faster during almost all the race and more importantly, he was faster with both compounds. I thought he was going to suffer with the hardest one, especially in comparison to Mercedes pace with the hardest compounds.

2. Fuel consumption. I aslo thought that Ferrari was going to suffer with this aspect, ,but it seems that the new PU has solved this problem. In fact, Mercedes(according to Bottas) suffered with lack of fuel during the last laps. This is a very important aspect. Don´t you think?

Anyway, I won´t be optimistic because I am pretty sure that Mercedes will bring a good update in France. It will be the moment to measure if Ferrari can still compete and defeat Mercedes or if Canada was only a an exception.

I've never seen you in an optimistic mood, so nothing new.

But yea, I also would have not expected Ferrari (Vettel) to be that comfortably fast. I'm not really talking about PU, but the nursing of the tyre. At least Vettel was able to go a second faster than Bottas at any time of the race. He was clearly faster and a few laps prior to the pit stop of Bottas the gap between them increased rapidly. He could have gone further, if he was not forced into pitting due to a possible undercut by Bottas.

So as a conclusion it can be told that Ferrari also made a good job with the aero updates it seems.

I'm curious about France. Mercedes' PU coming and let's see which team will be suited most by this track.

[Vasconia]

But that helped everyone.

Leading from the front and having to turn down?

But his fuel consumption was enough good to lead the race comfortably and turn it down when it was needed. This should demonstrate that the updated PU is clearly more efficient.

[AJI]

Verstappen had a brand new latest spec engine, Ricciardo was clearly driving his old mongrel PU only as fast as he had to go get home. Proof is he set the fastest lap of the race once the team let him of the hook.

Both cars raced in Canada with the updated power unit from what I understand.

Ricciardo overtook a Ferrari and then a Mercedes during the race and he was not very far from Max until the last laps, so I don´t see the butchery anywhere.

How many places did Max make again? Oh yeah, it was zero...
Who posted the fastest lap with an old K? RIC. I guess 'butchered' has a different meaning in this reality?

[Vasconia]

I am pleasantly surprised with Ferrari´s performance. Well, let´s say Vettel´s performance.

1. The race pace was very good, he was faster during almost all the race and more importantly, he was faster with both compounds. I thought he was going to suffer with the hardest one, especially in comparison to Mercedes pace with the hardest compounds.

2. Fuel consumption. I aslo thought that Ferrari was going to suffer with this aspect, ,but it seems that the new PU has solved this problem. In fact, Mercedes(according to Bottas) suffered with lack of fuel during the last laps. This is a very important aspect. Don´t you think?

Anyway, I won´t be optimistic because I am pretty sure that Mercedes will bring a good update in France. It will be the moment to measure if Ferrari can still compete and defeat Mercedes or if Canada was only a an exception.

I've never seen you in an optimistic mood, so nothing new.

But yea, I also would have not expected Ferrari (Vettel) to be that comfortably fast. I'm not really talking about PU, but the nursing of the tyre. At least Vettel was able to go a second faster than Bottas at any time of the race. He was clearly faster and a few laps prior to the pit stop of Bottas the gap between them increased rapidly. He could have gone further, if he was not forced into pitting due to a possible undercut by Bottas.

So as a conclusion it can be told that Ferrari also made a good job with the aero updates it seems.

I'm curious about France. Mercedes' PU coming and let's see which team will be suited most by this track.

Optimism is not one of my strongest points, I must admit it.

Yes, tyre managment was also pretty good. Another good point.

And yet again, Ferrari showed how much they improve from FP1 to Qualy. It seems that the car requires an extra work to find the correct set-up but once they find it, it works.

[marvin78]

I mostly agree with you. We are all forgetting that overtaking was possible 2 years ago! Then we had overtakes...

No. We had mostly drive-bys.

[komninosm]

...Ultimately I think the missing link is refueling...

No matter how many variables there are, all teams will do the same calculations, and all teams will end up with same strategy.

If we want racing, then we need to reward racing. Awarding points based only on position does not encourage racing. The gap to the driver in front and the gap to the driver in back should be taken into consideration.

Your arguments are unconvincing.
Awarding points based on time gaps is a ridiculous idea.
If you add more and different variables the calculations won't be the same.
If you add refueling and change the tracks (the pit entry and exit) to make pitstops less of a time waste and more of speed boost (fuel) then you make more pitting worthwhile.

Also making the tires degrade linearly and not having such a small temp operating window, making them not overheat and lose performance over time (instead of good until cliff) will make racing better. Would also make smaller cars needed and other stuff.

[LM10]

But that helped everyone.

Leading from the front and having to turn down?

I think a gap of 3+ seconds can be considered as free air. Yet, Bottas was not able to keep up and even lost time. So either Bottas' engine was turned down too or he was slower even though his engine was in a higher mode than Vettel's?

[GPR-A duplicate2]

But that helped everyone.

Leading from the front and having to turn down?

I think a gap of 3+ seconds can be considered as free air. Yet, Bottas was not able to keep up and even lost time. So either Bottas' engine was turned down too or he was slower even though his engine was in a higher mode than Vettel's?

I don't think pace wise, Mercedes was at Ferrari's level in the race. Given that was the case, it was easier to manage the race at front.

[Sieper]

Verstappen had a brand new latest spec engine, Ricciardo was clearly driving his old mongrel PU only as fast as he had to go get home. Proof is he set the fastest lap of the race once the team let him of the hook.

Both cars raced in Canada with the updated power unit from what I understand.

Ricciardo overtook a Ferrari and then a Mercedes during the race and he was not very far from Max until the last laps, so I don´t see the butchery anywhere.

Ricciardo overtook the Ferrari at the start, kudos, but I think the Hamilton overtake was teamplay. Verstappen backed up Hamilton into Ricci, who then stayed out 1 lap after Ver and Ham (on his fully warmed up hypers) on his inlap whilst Hamilton was on cold supersofts on his outlap enabling Ricci to make the overcut. I think this was teamplay thought up by RBR. From that moment onwards Verstappen started creating a gap, first up to 1.6/1,8 seconds, which it remained for some laps, then in one go to 2,2 (I think a small Ricci lock up or so) then steadily to 4,6, then back to 3,0 (A Verstappen lock up (or backmarkers which by then were started to be run in to)) but from that point onwards very steadily from 3 to 12,5 seconds, not just in the last rounds. In the very last rounds it went from 8 to 12 as Verstappen was chasing Bottas which by then had ran into low fuel, had to manage his remaining fuel whilst Ricci only had Ham to fend off.

[turbof1]

Ok, time's up with the love making posts. Stick to the topic please. Off topic messages will be removed.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Do you guys need a room?

I appreciate mod jumping in, without having to wake up.

[sosic2121]

I mostly agree with you. We are all forgetting that overtaking was possible 2 years ago! Then we had overtakes...

No. We had mostly drive-bys.

True, but there were also overtakes between teammates. Last year in Monte Carlo Kimi couldn't get close enough to Sauber to get blue flag.
DF/drag ratio has gone up, and I believe it should have gone in other direction.