Following today's last corner events during the Monaco GP, the stewards have carefully considered the overtaking matter of Michael Schumacher over Fernando Alonso. The team judged Schumacher was not allowed to overtake and handed him a 20 second penalty.
Agreed, if the Race was being ended under caution the lights should have remained yellow. Even the Beeb Commentators where under the impression that the drivers where about to be let off the leash for the last 2 corners.ggajic wrote:Picture says it all
Except for the fact that the FIA does not write these set of rules the Sporting Working Group does... and I'll let you find out who makes up that group(hint hint they are all employed by the teams themselves)andrew wrote:http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/05/16/t ... nce-again/
Good link to F1 fanatic. Basically, badly written rules strike again.
You never saw him race in the Junior categories and for the Mercedes Sports Car program then I take it?segedunum wrote:I'm still a slight Webber doubter (although he's always been fast) and I base that on more than just the last two races. There were races besides the Nurburgring and Interlagos last year where he didn't perform. Ditto this year. Barcelona and Monaco haven't made those go away.djos wrote:I think all the Webbo doubters are in denial and have found a controversy to latch onto to avoid admitting that Webbo is a/on fire and b/now dominating his very quick and high quality team mate.
for me the rule is clear: if you have SC during the last lap, this means race finishes under SC and the racing is over. This is what 40.13 means.segedunum wrote:It doesn't state that at all. That might be what they wanted it to state, but it doesn't. It says clearly that if the safety car is deployed (it wasn't) and if the race has ended (it hadn't).Ray wrote:Safety car was deployed at the start of the last lap, they called it in, in accordance with the rule above because you can't have the Safety Car in two places at the same time according to the laws of physics, and the rule states there will be no overtaking after it enters the pit lane on the last lap and the cars are to maintain position in accordance with the leaders speed. It's written 6 regulation numbers after the one you read.
It might mean that yes, but it isnt how it standing there, meaning a thing and actually formulate it that way are 2 completely different things. The fight about unclear regs, again.vall wrote:for me the rule is clear: if you have SC during the last lap, this means race finishes under SC and the racing is over. This is what 40.13 means.segedunum wrote:It doesn't state that at all. That might be what they wanted it to state, but it doesn't. It says clearly that if the safety car is deployed (it wasn't) and if the race has ended (it hadn't).Ray wrote:Safety car was deployed at the start of the last lap, they called it in, in accordance with the rule above because you can't have the Safety Car in two places at the same time according to the laws of physics, and the rule states there will be no overtaking after it enters the pit lane on the last lap and the cars are to maintain position in accordance with the leaders speed. It's written 6 regulation numbers after the one you read.
I remember reading an article by Peter Windsor that stated how impressed he was that Mark, after being in cars without a clutch and a real transmission you had to shift, could still heel and toe like he'd been doing it all along. Too many drivers have forgotten that I think, even JPM had a problem using the clutch when he went to NASCAR. Says alot about the guys skill to me to not even be rusty the first time he did that after so many years. I think alot of his problem has been that he's had to drag crap cars around his whole career, it's affected his reputation, and now that he's got a great car his confidence is up and he's doing great. Emotion plays alot in this. Though it's been said in the past, and ISLAMATRON nailed it a few times before, he's swerved alot on race starts when he's been on the front row and has been blocking badly. Here and in Barcelona he's not done that at all and has run off and left everyone in the dust. So he's on the up and up! I still think the only two drivers in F1 that can actually pass cars are Lewis and Fernando.djos wrote:You never saw him race in the Junior categories and for the Mercedes Sports Car program then I take it?segedunum wrote:I'm still a slight Webber doubter (although he's always been fast) and I base that on more than just the last two races. There were races besides the Nurburgring and Interlagos last year where he didn't perform. Ditto this year. Barcelona and Monaco haven't made those go away.djos wrote:I think all the Webbo doubters are in denial and have found a controversy to latch onto to avoid admitting that Webbo is a/on fire and b/now dominating his very quick and high quality team mate.
Marks problem over his years in F1 was that he Qualified cars above their station and couldn't keep them there, now that he is fully recovered from his injuries (his last ops where in the off season to remove more titanium) and has found his form Vettel is not going to have it easy against Webber.
That MIGHT be what they intended it to mean but that clearly isn't what id does mean the way it is written right now.vall wrote:
for me the rule is clear: if you have SC during the last lap, this means race finishes under SC and the racing is over. This is what 40.13 means.
Funny that, every other racing series in the world that I've seen, and all the times I've raced or my family has, a full course yellow on the last lap means that the race is effectively over and positions are set unless someone can't physically make it to the finish line due to a mechanical failure or hitting the wall or something. This is the only series where I've ever seen someone make the argument that the race is still on with the previous three laps being under yellow and the last 300 yards the race is back on. Yeah the lights were green and the flags were waved but I think that was a mistake by race control and everyone else maintained position.wesley123 wrote:
It might mean that yes, but it isnt how it standing there, meaning a thing and actually formulate it that way are 2 completely different things. The fight about unclear regs, again.
Further to the steering wheel story: http://in.reuters.com/article/motorSpor ... nnel=11732WhiteBlue wrote:andartop wrote:Based on the rulings of the previous races this year, Massa should receive a reprimand and nothing else. It did not affect anyone's race in this particular case, and it was really marginal.
Rubens was inexcusable, especially after what happened last year in Hungary, which of course was an accident. Deliberately throwing anything on the racing line is so stupid and dangerous that I would go as far as to say he should be banned for 5 races. This was far more important than anyone crossing any pit exit line, anyone overtaking under SC or anyone racing in the pit lane. After Massa's freak accident in Hungary and Alonso being penalised last year for having a loose wheel, and the whole Renault crashgate scandal (which, in theory, concerned the FIA so much partly due to driver safety reasons), just letting this go or even a fine sound ridiculous. For once, I totally agree with ISLAMATRON.
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Obviously brain fade of unprecedented dimension. I cannot remember that I have seen anything like that in decades of F1 races. Deliberately throwing a substantial object on the racing line is close to criminal. I can only think that the red mist took over in his brain and he acted like a complete moron. I know that Rubens is a very emotional guy but there are limits to what a grown up can allow himself to do. This was way over the line. The fact that Hill and co did not penalize it makes them even more ridiculous than they are with the Rascasse II verdict.
Some time after he ran over the wheel with high speed in the tunnel Senna stopped with a puncture on lap 58 and DNFed twenty laps before the end of the race. I first thought Chandhok had the puncture but it was obviously Senna.What was he doing?, Chandhok said of Barrichello. "(Race director) Charlie (Whiting) actually asked me about it. You see on the video that he just throws it.
I could feel it scraping all the way to Mirabeau and then the noise stopped. One of the marshals has reported back that they saw it fall out of my car in the tunnel. And then Bruno ran over it.
That steering wheel has been well and truly Hispania-ed.
Me too. I asked earlier why they changed the rule about the starting line of the race after a SC returns to the pits. What was the reasoning? It doesn't seem to make any difference in the middle of the race and creates this problem at the end of a race.piast9 wrote:Yes, the rule seems to be unclear and complicated. I also would like to know why there is that SC line, why it is introduced this year?
From the link WB posted above, Rubens apparently claimed he just wanted to get out of the car as quickly as possible because it was on fire and standing in the middle of a fast corner, and Patrick Head justified his actions.WhiteBlue wrote:
Further to the steering wheel story: http://in.reuters.com/article/motorSpor ... nnel=11732
Some laps after he ran over the wheel with high speed in the tunnel Senna stopped with a puncture. I first thought Chandhok had the puncture but it was obviously Senna.What was he doing?, Chandhok said of Barrichello. "(Race director) Charlie (Whiting) actually asked me about it. You see on the video that he just throws it.
I could feel it scraping all the way to Mirabeau and then the noise stopped. One of the marshals has reported back that they saw it fall out of my car in the tunnel. And then Bruno ran over it.
That steering wheel has been well and truly Hispania-ed.
I am no fan of Rubens, but I don't think he threw it on the racing line on purpose to harm other drivers. I think he just threw it in anger and frustration without thinking. Still, you can't punish it too lightly because others might do it and claim no ill intent, and intent is so hard to prove and codify in rules. It seems though he's not being investigated.andartop wrote:From the link WB posted above, Rubens apparently claimed he just wanted to get out of the car as quickly as possible because it was on fire and standing in the middle of a fast corner, and Patrick Head justified his actions.WhiteBlue wrote:
Further to the steering wheel story: http://in.reuters.com/article/motorSpor ... nnel=11732
Some laps after he ran over the wheel with high speed in the tunnel Senna stopped with a puncture. I first thought Chandhok had the puncture but it was obviously Senna.What was he doing?, Chandhok said of Barrichello. "(Race director) Charlie (Whiting) actually asked me about it. You see on the video that he just throws it.
I could feel it scraping all the way to Mirabeau and then the noise stopped. One of the marshals has reported back that they saw it fall out of my car in the tunnel. And then Bruno ran over it.
That steering wheel has been well and truly Hispania-ed.
I think this is utter b$**$cks. It was very clear in the video that he threw the steering wheel in frustration rather than haste. I feel they should both be called in by the FIA for explanations prior to being strictly punished, and if they insist on this story get punished some more for blatantly lying!
I don't understand the fact that the SC have to come in on the last lap. Even NASCAR, the king of not ending races under yellow, still use SC if it did end up calling the race when the white flag comes out when the yellow happens. If its still SC, leave the SC on the track....Ray wrote:Funny that, every other racing series in the world that I've seen, and all the times I've raced or my family has, a full course yellow on the last lap means that the race is effectively over and positions are set unless someone can't physically make it to the finish line due to a mechanical failure or hitting the wall or something. This is the only series where I've ever seen someone make the argument that the race is still on with the previous three laps being under yellow and the last 300 yards the race is back on. Yeah the lights were green and the flags were waved but I think that was a mistake by race control and everyone else maintained position.wesley123 wrote:
It might mean that yes, but it isnt how it standing there, meaning a thing and actually formulate it that way are 2 completely different things. The fight about unclear regs, again.
