Spanish GP 2012 - Barcelona

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ell66 wrote:
Hail22 wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:Happy for Williams.

But, these tires are the absolute worst thing to happen to F1.
Agreed bring back the Bridgestones...

indeed, they actually hurt overtaking due all the marbles they leave off line, imagine the 2010 tyres with DRS and KERS, it would be just fine and qualifying would be a show again to.
As well as actually seeing a real "race", watch 2014...Pirelli introduce the new ice skating tyres...but wait there is more! CUSTOMER CARS FOR ALL TEAMS 16TH +!!!
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myurr wrote:Congratulations to Maldonado. Can't say I like the guy that much but that was a very worthy drive and thoroughly deserving victory.

Hamilton was my driver of the day, amazing pace, great overtaking, and made the tyres last better than anyone else. 24th to 8th with a grid that close. I think he would have had an easy win had he not had the penalty.

Good drives from Alonso and Kobayashi as well, both getting the most out of their cars. I was a little disappointed with Lotus, don't think either car really showed it's potential although Raikkonen drove a fantastic final stint. Vettel did okay, Button was disappointing.
Couldn't agree more with you there. Lewis drove beautifully.
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chepoi wrote:if maldonado win, that is the proof that Mike Coughlan is a good designer of the car. Mclaren should be regret for suspended him.
Man CAR DOSENT MATTER NOW!!!! it's all about tyres look what happen....

BTW: ALonso still can win this! c'mon fernando!!


edit: i'm not sure but Kimi can do something if they stop again. I;m not sure if he can win but on P2 sure!! Maldonado will pit again.
if the car is making the time like HRT or Marussia then the car will not win either... :-) it's a package... but you cannot simply say that the only that make it happen is only tyre!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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wow.. having Alonso and Kimi put you on their shoulders... :D That's big!:D
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Stop blaming Pirelli. They're doing what they were asked to do by the FIA.

These tyres have done more to equalise the racing than any of the FIA's rule changes have for years. They give quickish guys in average cars a chance a chance to shine. And the races are a lot more fun than they were in the Schui-Bridgestone days. Now that was a joke and very boring to watch.

I only saw the last 15 laps but impressed to see Hamilton finish so well from the back of the grid. Great drive. Button obviously not having a good weekend at all.
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Just_a_fan wrote:These tyres have done more to equalise the racing than any of the FIA's rule changes have for years. They give quickish guys in average cars a chance a chance to shine.
Yeah. Think about that.

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If bridgestone are back Hamilton would not be 8th at the end of the road starting from 24th

Pirelli might give us a mix of winners but also it is more real fun.
At least they don't give space for advertising because so much is going on.

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Vettel is still leading the championship, but Alonso who is second has the same amount of points. Both 61 points.

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Fantastic drive from Pastor there. Pole and flag :D
Kept Alonso at bay when under pressure too.

Excellent birthday gift for Sir Frank too.
Not bad for a 'pay driver' eh folks? ;-)
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Just_a_fan wrote:Stop blaming Pirelli. They're doing what they were asked to do by the FIA.

These tyres have done more to equalise the racing than any of the FIA's rule changes have for years. They give quickish guys in average cars a chance a chance to shine. And the races are a lot more fun than they were in the Schui-Bridgestone days. Now that was a joke and very boring to watch.

I only saw the last 15 laps but impressed to see Hamilton finish so well from the back of the grid. Great drive. Button obviously not having a good weekend at all.
You missed the best running from Hamilton then, he had to do half race distance on that set of tyres!! His first laps he was carving his way through the field, even overtaking two cars in one corner at one point.

With regard to Pirelli, Hamilton showed that the tyres could last if you get the car and setup right. Pirelli are doing a great job, exactly what the sport needed, and the teams simply need to get on top of managing them. Whilst it's frustrating when your favoured driver has a difficult afternoon, I'd rather have rich and varied racing where the drivers are able to make a difference, having to cope with the changing balance of the car.

With the bridgestones the grid was so set in stone they may as well not have bothered travelling to different circuits. What we're seeing here is different conditions at different circuits shaking up the order every single race. The grid is very close and so you have to get it 100% right if you want to have an advantage at the front - exactly as it should be.

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Igor won - hell must be frozen by now. I am happy that FW got to see another victory for his team though.
I don't get it why they are pushing Kimi so hard and tell him that he can catch the guy in front when he obviously can't, or there are 60%+ chances he can not do that. It's dangerous do do that at the end of a race.
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Redragon wrote:If bridgestone are back Hamilton would not be 8th at the end of the road starting from 24th

Pirelli might give us a mix of winners but also it is more real fun.
At least they don't give space for advertising because so much is going on.
Exactly. People forget just how processional the races used to be. How many times did they go for a 4 minute ad break and come back to say nothing had happened?
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stefan_ wrote:Igor won - hell must be frozen by now. I am happy that FW got to see another victory for his team though.
I don't get it why they are pushing Kimi so hard and tell him that he can catch the guy in front when he obviously can't, or there are 60%+ chances he can not do that. It's dangerous do do that at the end of a race.
He finished 0.6 seconds behind Alonso #-o

Had they pitted him a lap earlier he may have been able to challenge.

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Ok, you may lament the tyres but what the hell does Maldonaldo victory have in common with the Pirellis? Maldonaldo was quick through all the race, he undercut Alonso (who was unfortunate with backmarkers as well) on the piststop and got ahead. Then he was just faster and congratulations to him!

The pack is much tighter now so the car setup and driver's personal preferences on the track or conditions decide who is faster or not. That's brilliant! Compare it with last season. Then for the half of the races everybody knew that Vettel would win and the battle was for the rest of the places.

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myurr wrote:
stefan_ wrote:Igor won - hell must be frozen by now. I am happy that FW got to see another victory for his team though.
I don't get it why they are pushing Kimi so hard and tell him that he can catch the guy in front when he obviously can't, or there are 60%+ chances he can not do that. It's dangerous do do that at the end of a race.
He finished 0.6 seconds behind Alonso #-o

Had they pitted him a lap earlier he may have been able to challenge.
Yes, but Alonso had a good gap to him and didn't push as he did in the final laps.
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