2012 Monaco GP - Monte Carlo

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myurr wrote:But with durable tyres you end up with a procession as qualifying is sorting the cars into speed order.
Only if there is no parity in the field. THAT has been the problem, for years.
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i don't think that the durability of the tyres is the real problem but the small operating window. Let's say the tyres work for a temperature range of about 3° (guessed number). Every team guesses the track temperature on the race day and sets up the car according to this guess. Now on the race day one cloud is enough to get the tyres out of their working range. ...

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myurr wrote:
But with durable tyres you end up with a procession as qualifying is sorting the cars into speed order. If you have tyres under you to be able to attack then you have tyres under you to just pull away or defend. The drivers are able to one stop this race, how much more durable do you want the tyres to be? 29 laps on the super softs, 47 odd I think on the softs. What tyre life would you like to see?
they have DRS now. it wouldnt be a procession anymore.
they'd all be driving flat out, and able to overtake because of DRS.

the fastest driver/car would win. this is how it should be.

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Smedley: "Keep your tires fresh, he doesn't look so happy, maybe we can have a go in the end..." <- This is racing now...keeping your tires fresh! Bollocks!
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Jersey Tom wrote:
myurr wrote:But with durable tyres you end up with a procession as qualifying is sorting the cars into speed order.
Only if there is no parity in the field. THAT has been the problem, for years.
I agree. But until we get that parity, I'd take the 'crutch' of fragile tyres over processional racing any day.

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Goran2812 wrote:Smedley: "Keep your tires fresh, he doesn't look so happy, maybe we can have a go in the end..." <- This is racing now...keeping your tires fresh! Bollocks!
That's always been the case. When was the last season where either tyres or fuel weren't conserved to some degree or another.

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myurr wrote:So why is 2010 being a closely fought season better than 2012 being a closely fought season?
First off, I never said anything. I certainly never said better.

I only pointed to something you said. A closely fought season, by your own admission, doesn't require silly putty tires.

You know, for someone who likes this brand of racing, you sure are awfully defensive about it. If you like it, enjoy it. Don't worry about what others say.

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fiohaa wrote:
myurr wrote:
But with durable tyres you end up with a procession as qualifying is sorting the cars into speed order. If you have tyres under you to be able to attack then you have tyres under you to just pull away or defend. The drivers are able to one stop this race, how much more durable do you want the tyres to be? 29 laps on the super softs, 47 odd I think on the softs. What tyre life would you like to see?
they have DRS now. it wouldnt be a procession anymore.
they'd all be driving flat out, and able to overtake because of DRS.

the fastest driver/car would win. this is how it should be.
Ha ha ha ha ha. Tyres are artificial, DRS is not!?!?

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Jersey Tom wrote:
myurr wrote:But with durable tyres you end up with a procession as qualifying is sorting the cars into speed order.
Only if there is no parity in the field. THAT has been the problem, for years.
And this in spite of restrictive regulations... does that mean a budget cap is the answer?

Just to cast my vote, I thought 2010 was a brilliant season. I want to see the masters duke it out race after race. This should not be like golf, which is a fundamentally boring sport where any of the top 100 can win any week.

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Mercedes looks like picking up a lot of ground on Lotus in the Constructors'. Raikkonen out of the top 10 according to Brundle.

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myurr wrote:
Goran2812 wrote:Smedley: "Keep your tires fresh, he doesn't look so happy, maybe we can have a go in the end..." <- This is racing now...keeping your tires fresh! Bollocks!
That's always been the case. When was the last season where either tyres or fuel weren't conserved to some degree or another.
mate, it has never been so extreme! they're cruising, setting almost identical lap times instead of fighting and trying to pass... this is not racing...
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bhallg2k wrote:
myurr wrote:So why is 2010 being a closely fought season better than 2012 being a closely fought season?
First off, I never said anything. I certainly never said better.

I only pointed to something you said. A closely fought season, by your own admission, doesn't require silly putty tires.
But you can have a closely fought season with dull and processional racing. 2010 wasn't a great year for racing, wasn't too bad, but wasn't great.
bhallg2k wrote:You know, for someone who likes this brand of racing, you sure are awfully defensive about it. If you like it, enjoy it. Don't worry about what others say.
Just like you, and several others, seem awfully attached to polluting every thread with untrue comments about a lottery. I'm happy to stop defending the tyres when everyone else stops attacking them all the time.

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schumachers car seems to have a problem NOT again ...

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Goran2812 wrote:mate, it has never been so extreme! they're cruising, setting almost identical lap times instead of fighting and trying to pass... this is not racing...
This is Monaco and they're being backed up by each other. There have been many processional races over many many years no matter what the tyres do. Blaming the tyres in this race is counterintuitive where they have given us variation in pace and real racing in other races.

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myurr wrote:
fiohaa wrote:
myurr wrote:
But with durable tyres you end up with a procession as qualifying is sorting the cars into speed order. If you have tyres under you to be able to attack then you have tyres under you to just pull away or defend. The drivers are able to one stop this race, how much more durable do you want the tyres to be? 29 laps on the super softs, 47 odd I think on the softs. What tyre life would you like to see?
they have DRS now. it wouldnt be a procession anymore.
they'd all be driving flat out, and able to overtake because of DRS.

the fastest driver/car would win. this is how it should be.
Ha ha ha ha ha. Tyres are artificial, DRS is not!?!?
No you don't get it...do you.
The artificial gimmicks of the past have never restricted the driver from pushing to his own abilities. Thats the difference.
These tyres mean the driver isn't driving to his limits, hes driving to a pre determined laptime he has to achieve, to get the car to the end.