guys let's stay on topic please!
could ferrari be using some sort of ceramic coating inside the exhaust pipe?
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You can actually see at 1:02 Kimi's front wing plate fly off.poolboy67 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGUZqtD18dk
look how smooth the steering is for kimi now!
at 1.43 when kimi "over revs" the engine, to me that sounds really good actually. i hope they'll just up the fuel flow for 2017 so we can finally hear the engines rev to 15k.
sorry here is the right link: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10 ... =2&theaterzagor wrote:You can actually see at 1:02 Kimi's front wing plate fly off.poolboy67 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGUZqtD18dk
look how smooth the steering is for kimi now!
at 1.43 when kimi "over revs" the engine, to me that sounds really good actually. i hope they'll just up the fuel flow for 2017 so we can finally hear the engines rev to 15k.
The orange color inside the exhaust pipe was present at the Jerez test and was discussed on another forum at that time. It was suggested to be residue from gasoline additive MMT or MCMT (Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl) or similar, which generally acts as an octane booster.F1NAC wrote:Note sulfurous dust( is it?) At exhaust exit
http://f1sport.autorevue.cz/files/406312858.jpg
dude what?PlatinumZealot wrote:Way to protect the environment Ferrari!
yes they do.PlatinumZealot wrote:Anywho.. I only just noticed that this years fuel readings are in Liters...
Does the FIA calibrate for each team, each race?
Sorry, but no:mkable1370 wrote:The orange color inside the exhaust pipe was present at the Jerez test and was discussed on another forum at that time. It was suggested to be residue from gasoline additive MMT or MCMT (Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl) or similar, which generally acts as an octane booster.F1NAC wrote:Note sulfurous dust( is it?) At exhaust exit
http://f1sport.autorevue.cz/files/406312858.jpg
Jerez 2015
http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/Matth ... e.jpg.html
2015 F1 Technical regulations wrote:19.4.6
Manganese based additives are not permitted.
You made an assumption that they calibrate for each team each race or have you credible info on this? I really wanted to hear something credible, if you understand. no disrespect.poolboy67 wrote:dude what?PlatinumZealot wrote:Way to protect the environment Ferrari!
yes they do.PlatinumZealot wrote:Anywho.. I only just noticed that this years fuel readings are in Liters...
Does the FIA calibrate for each team, each race?
and litre is the most common measure of volume.
Each new fuel that a team wishes to use has to go through an approval process by the FIA, in which all its properties are measured. I'm sure that since the fuel flow regs have come into being the fuel density is measured over a range of temperatures.PlatinumZealot wrote:You made an assumption that they calibrate for each team each race or have you credible info on this? I really wanted to hear something credible, if you understand. no disrespect.
Keep in mind, the rules specify the mass of fuel used not the volume. The ultrasonic flow meter measures the average speed of the liquid particles as they pass a specified cross section and the software calculates the flow rate. Last year's fuel usage was displayed in kilograms. You never would see anything over 100kg. With displaying volume however, the total fuel displayed is almost "raw data" and we saw values over 110 liters. The volume used is depending on the density/temperature relationshipd of the fuel used by each team throughout that day (imagine a large temperature swing with a race like Abu Dhabi). while the fuel is displayed in liters this year, for the FIA's regulations they have to calculate the total mass. The mass of fuel measured must be compensated for. This means a reference table of that fuel's density vs temperature stored in the meters memory or in some other location. Now you can imagine the effort required to calibrate 20 plus meters if the teams update their fuels every other race....
So yes,a serious question for someone who has inside info.
Apologies if I have got this wrong, but it looks like that element of the crash structure just behind the monkey seat is actually fabricated from a different coloured material than the rest; if you look at the seams, the joins, it follows down the side of the structure of that colour too.Crabbia wrote:It may not be manganese in the fuel but it is definitely an exhaust residue, not a coating. In the picture above at the finish, you can see the top of the crash structure is also slightly reddish brown, compare it to the clean black of the merc.
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Sorry no it looks like there is a coating on the top of the crash structure too. Also reddish brown.
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Fer ... 850042.jpg
Maybe they are using a heat protective coating on the top of the crash structure as well as lining the end of the exhaust with the same material.
yes, pretty much established that so far. I was just wanted to know if this is done for each team, each race.wuzak wrote:Each new fuel that a team wishes to use has to go through an approval process by the FIA, in which all its properties are measured. I'm sure that since the fuel flow regs have come into being the fuel density is measured over a range of temperatures.PlatinumZealot wrote:You made an assumption that they calibrate for each team each race or have you credible info on this? I really wanted to hear something credible, if you understand. no disrespect.
Keep in mind, the rules specify the mass of fuel used not the volume. The ultrasonic flow meter measures the average speed of the liquid particles as they pass a specified cross section and the software calculates the flow rate. Last year's fuel usage was displayed in kilograms. You never would see anything over 100kg. With displaying volume however, the total fuel displayed is almost "raw data" and we saw values over 110 liters. The volume used is depending on the density/temperature relationshipd of the fuel used by each team throughout that day (imagine a large temperature swing with a race like Abu Dhabi). while the fuel is displayed in liters this year, for the FIA's regulations they have to calculate the total mass. The mass of fuel measured must be compensated for. This means a reference table of that fuel's density vs temperature stored in the meters memory or in some other location. Now you can imagine the effort required to calibrate 20 plus meters if the teams update their fuels every other race....
So yes,a serious question for someone who has inside info.
Then it is a matter of plugging the data into the common ECU.
Fuels are "fingerprinted" when they are approved. Samples of fuels are checked against the base - I'm not sure if it is all cars, but if not it is at random.PlatinumZealot wrote:yes, pretty much established that so far. I was just wanted to know if this is done for each team, each race.